Patrick HEFFERNAN

[majm]

I may have given you the link earlier, not sure, but here is the online link to Lithgow Cemetery records. 

http://www.council.lithgow.com/pdfs/140325_CemeteryList.pdf

Cheers,  JM

[dog_foster_carer]

The lad born in 1914  errr .... on Ada's dc, his age is given as 42 ..... Ada born in 1872 ....  Errrr .... There's a public tree at Ancestry with a transcription of her death cert uploaded there.   Ada is shown there as aged 86, when she died (2 June 1958    1958 - 42 = 1916 ).    Burial at Rookwood Roman Catholic section.   Also,  I think Olive Heffernan was married in the Anglican church Lithgow, which I thought was St Pauls.   

Need to pull thinking cap down further,

Cheers,  JM
 

That'd probably be my tree.  I've attached copies of all the transcriptions, certificates, State Records Office (divorce) and Australian Archives/Australian War Memorial (army service) docs that I could find. I'm waiting on transcriptions for William Sidney's death and Alice Victoria's marriage to arrive.  And I think I'll order transcriptions for Lawrence's marriage and death, Sidney Arthur's marriage and William Sidney's first marriage and see if they can offer any extra info.  Surely something's gotta give sooner or later lol!

Olive was married at St Paul's Lithgow.

dfc


ETA:  I just looked and found that I haven't uploaded all my records to ancestry yet, so am doing so now.

[majm]

What do you know about the following person
L HEFFERNAN, with a locality as Bowenfels (on the index as Bownefels) died 26 Feb 1900, Probate 12 June 1900?   I cannot find a corresponding NSW BDM death registration .... so it may be pointing to a death outside of NSW ...  perhaps a generation older than the elusive Patrick, or perhaps it is just a co-incidence .... the surname and Bowenfels being so very close to but on the eastern side of Lithgow whereas Wallerawang is on western side.   

NSW SR http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-deceased-estates-and-related-records/indexes-to-deceased-estate-files and

http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/

Also, is there a connection between your elusive chap and the 77 year old chap Patrick Heffernan who died at Condobolin?  ....  Condo is much closer to Dubbo/Trangie/Narromine than to Lithgow.  There's a Probate Packet for this chap at NSW SRO, index has his DD as 30 May 928, Probate granted  27 July, 1928.    NSW BDM online index #9966 gives "(Carlisle) " suggesting to me that while the deceased's parents given names are NOT known to the informer, the informer has provided other family names/clues to the funeral director to register.   I will leave it to you for follow up through Trove etc.

Cheers,  JM

[dog_foster_carer]

What do you know about the following person
L HEFFERNAN, with a locality as Bowenfels (on the index as Bownefels) died 26 Feb 1900, Probate 12 June 1900?   I cannot find a corresponding NSW BDM death registration .... so it may be pointing to a death outside of NSW ...  perhaps a generation older than the elusive Patrick, or perhaps it is just a co-incidence .... the surname and Bowenfels being so very close to but on the eastern side of Lithgow whereas Wallerawang is on western side.   

NSW SR http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-deceased-estates-and-related-records/indexes-to-deceased-estate-files and

http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/

Also, is there a connection between your elusive chap and the 77 year old chap Patrick Heffernan who died at Condobolin?  ....  Condo is much closer to Dubbo/Trangie/Narromine than to Lithgow.  There's a Probate Packet for this chap at NSW SRO, index has his DD as 30 May 928, Probate granted  27 July, 1928.    NSW BDM online index #9966 gives "(Carlisle) " suggesting to me that while the deceased's parents given names are NOT known to the informer, the informer has provided other family names/clues to the funeral director to register.   I will leave it to you for follow up through Trove etc.

Cheers,  JM

still looking re above

I don't know anything at all about the probate packets stuff.  I've just found one for Patricks son Lawrence Charles :  Series 4-399390;  Lawrence Charles Heffernan - Date of Death 02/06/1951, Granted on 14/01/1953;  13660  Probate packets  starts by 01 Apr 1817 ; 

I figure there would be nothing about Patrick but could there be any clues in there somewhere?

[majm]

Yes, there can often be clues in those files.   Sometimes there can be disputes among those who were expecting to be a beneficiary, sometimes the will may be poorly worded and it is unclear who is to be the beneficiary.    Sometimes the apparent beneficiary needed to supply proof of birth/baptism/parents etc and sometimes that proof stayed with the files when they were moved from the NSW Supreme Court to the Archives Office.     

I will alert an RChatter who may be able to add the files to a possible TO DO list that they MAY have at hand for a possible visit in the next several weeks.   

Cheers,  JM

[rosball]

No problem  planning to go on Monday

cheers,
  Alerted Ros

adding : I notice there are 2 probate packets for the same man - I wonder if that means there was a dispute or ...?

[dog_foster_carer]

Thanks for that JM
I will keep my fingers crossed that it reveals the first genuine clue about Patrick!
dfc

Oh, and a big thanks to you too rosball 

[sparrett]

Birth

HEFFERNAN, William S.
Yr. 1914
Father-Not listed
Mother Ethel E.
At Lithgow
Reg. 34019

Death
HEFFERNAN, Sidney Arthur
Yr 1971
Father Patrick
Mother Ada
At Lithgow
Reg  64878

Sue

There is a second registration for William Sidney with the cross reference R as annotation beside the reg number.

SIMPSON, William S
Yr 1914
Mother Ethel E SIMPSON
Father not listed
Lithgow
Reg 34019 R

This of course makes it clear the birth was outside a marriage.
However, it is also clear that William Sidney used the surname HEFFERNAN and he registered to vote in that name in 1954 at Bankstown NSW.

It looks likely from the records that Ethel married and had children.

There was no marriage between HEFFERNAN and SIMPSON.

Sue

Sue

[dog_foster_carer]

Birth

HEFFERNAN, William S.
Yr. 1914
Father-Not listed
Mother Ethel E.
At Lithgow
Reg. 34019

Death
HEFFERNAN, Sidney Arthur
Yr 1971
Father Patrick
Mother Ada
At Lithgow
Reg  64878

Sue

There is a second registration for William Sidney with the cross reference R as annotation beside the reg number.

SIMPSON, William S
Yr 1914
Mother Ethel E SIMPSON
Father not listed
Lithgow
Reg 34019 R

This of course makes it clear the birth was outside a marriage.
However, it is also clear that William Sidney used the surname HEFFERNAN and he registered to vote in that name in 1954 at Bankstown NSW.

It looks likely from the records that Ethel married and had children.

There was no marriage between HEFFERNAN and SIMPSON.

Sue

Sue

Wow Sue, that is so interesting and sort of what I suspected all along.  I reckon he was the illegitimate son of Sidney Arthur Heffernan (Patrick and Ada's first born son) and Ethel Simpson, the dates align, as Sidney would've been 22yo when William was born.  It's making sense now, but Sidney's daughter in law doesn't seem to know anything about it so it must've been kept hush hush.  I think I'll update my tree now that you have confirmed all that for me.

Yay, finally an answer to one of my questions. 

THANKYOU!!!!!!

dfc

BTW, how do you find 1914 NSW births as I can only view up to 1913?