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Re: IRELAND: Family mystery!!
« Reply #9 on: Monday 27 June 05 21:28 BST (UK) »
Hi again Mags!  AFter thinking some more ---  your grandparents were young in 1899  and were contemporaries of whoever the parents of the child are??   

Do you know the relationship between James Fanning and Esther Wigmore to  James & Bridget or that is part of your mystery as well.

I was assuming that James & Bridget were the GP of the baby  but maybe not ---  They are YOUR GP who raised this child?
 

Do I have it right?  Sorry to sound so nosey--   just trying to get it clear in my mind so know if I can help or not.

kathy

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Re: IRELAND: Family mystery!!
« Reply #10 on: Monday 27 June 05 23:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Margaret

I wonder if it would be possible to get hospital records?

ROTUNDA HOSPITAL
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The Rotunda Hospital is more than 250 years old, founded in 1745 by Dr Bartholomew Mosse. During the course of his work as a surgeon, Mosse became deeply concerned at the plight of expectant mothers he came across in the Dublin Liberties. Many of these women lived in squalid conditions and all too often succumbed to starvation and disease and died along with their infants. Mosse, determined to do something about this social scandal, invited citizens of wealth to join him in raising charitable funds to buy premises for a 'Lying-In' Hospital. His appeal met with a generous response and the hospital, which was the first of its kind in Europe, opened on March 15th, 1745. The success of the first Lying-In hospital was so obvious that Mosse decided to plan for a larger, purpose built hospital. The current site, at the top of Dublin's main thoroughfare, O'Connell Street. was secured and the first baby was born in the new 'Lying-In' hospital on 8th December 1757. About 6,000 births and 3,000 operations take place in the Rotunda every year, with a further 50,000 outpatient visits. Five hundred staff are employed by the Hospital offering a round-the-clock service in obstetrics , gynaecology and paediatrics. In 1993 a new wing with nine delivery suites and two new operating theatres was opened. Staff Listings and further information is published annually in the IRISH MEDICAL DIRECTORY

See the Hospital Records database - search Rotunda Hospital Dublin

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Re: IRELAND: Family mystery!!
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 28 June 05 01:25 BST (UK) »


Hi Margaret

Are we dealing with the same James Richard Fewings that's on the Devonshire board?

Maybe we should be reading that information too - just in case we can tie it in with this situation !

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,61743.msg249727.html#msg249727

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Re: IRELAND: Family mystery!!
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 28 June 05 19:52 BST (UK) »
Thanks Annie

I don't know where to start. Do I reply to your message or look at all the information you have given me. Can't resist it just got to reply to you.

Well Annie. My son-in-law is Irish and his nickname for me is aggiebagwash but my friends call me Margaret. ::)

You certainly get around the messageboards. Yes they are the same. James was born in Torquay in 1872, on the 1881 census he lived in Paignton and I cannot find him on the 1891 or 1901 census. The only place I can identify him is on his marriage certificate in Dublin in 1899.

I have always presumed that my grandparents were friends of Esther and James Fanning who for whatever reason couldn't look after the baby. (I am a bit of a romantic )!!! I hadn't actually thought that Esther may have died or been seriously ill.

I was hoping that I could find details of either family or even Bridget's family the Masterson's on the 1901/1911 census but hadn't realized that you cannot get access on the internet. I don't even know why/how James came to be in Dublin. He obviously had a job as a labourer and I presumed that it was in the docks. I find it difficult to understand why a young man would leave the relatively busy area of Plymouth to live in Dublin? I thought he may have been a naval seaman or working on a fishing boat but there are no clues whatsoever.

I will have a look at the websites you have suggested and see if they give me a clue.

Thanks Annie

Margaret


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Re: IRELAND: Family mystery!!
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 28 June 05 20:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Kathy

Yes. James and Bridget were my grandparents but haven't a clue about James and Esther Fanning all I have is her Birth Certificate with them as her parents. I don't know when they came to Manchester or even why. If it was to find work surely he would have been better off going back to Plymouth where his family lived.

If you think this family is a mystery wait until I start my maternal family tree now that one will be difficult as they appear to have been born in different parts of Ireland at the same time. Ha! Ha! Think I will need a four leaf clover for that one. ;D

I think that the only way I am going to crack this one is via the census records. ie identifying each family and trying to link them however tenuously. I don't know why but I don't think they are blood related.

I am going to have a look at those websites that you and Annie suggested and see if they provide a clue. Oh dear!! another late night.  ::)

Thanks once again Kathy will keep in touch.

Margaret



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Re: IRELAND: Family mystery!!
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 28 June 05 22:22 BST (UK) »


Hi Margaret!!


I should have given you the site for the Irish National Archives for the Rotunda Hospital not the English - sorry!!

http://www.nationalarchives.ie/womens_history/women.html

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Re: IRELAND: Family mystery!!
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 29 June 05 21:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Margaret!  Annie & I have been working on your mystery --  we went back to catch up some details from your other postings and not sure if we are connecting dots correctly or not.

First, since you began wanting info from Dublin for
Thomas & Mary Masterson     
James and Bridget (Masterson) Fewings       
James and Ester (Wigmore) Fanning   
Baby Kathleen Fanning

Maybe you are only interested in them at that specific time frame and their relationship to Baby Kathleen? 

But a few questions anyway:

Bridget Masterson Fewings   Do you know where she was likely born?

James Fewing  b. 1832 Witheridge living in Plymouth  --  How related??

Found Lucy Cook Chew and Robert Chew  in 1881, Robert is a Butcher w/ 2 sons:    William b. 1864  and John Henry b. 1869 both born  in York,   Are there older children? 

1881 William b. (1828)  and  Jane  (b. 1833)  Fewings  in Paington with children:
Rosena 1863,
James 1866 Torque   (not 1872)
William 1868
John 1873 

(Think William’s “Davey “ surname was  irrelevant census error because in 1881 he is in as “Fewings”  in Paignton)
                     
1891 No info yet

1899 Wm/Bridget marry in Dublin   Kathleen born in Dublin.  Don’t know why Fewings in Dublin

1901 No Info yet

1903 Living in Manchester

Lastly, Can you clarify your maternal and paternal sides? 

Also did Kathleen go by Fanning or Fewings?   Assume you know if she married, etc.?

Thanks!  And fingers crossed, we will try to find out a little bit more!

Kathy & Annie
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Re: IRELAND: Family mystery!!
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 29 June 05 22:11 BST (UK) »
This is a start for 1891:

Under FENNING.

at 27 Hobart Street, East Stonehouse, Devon

Jane 1833 Widow born Brent

John Thos 1873 born Plymouth
William John 1869 widower cornwall
Rosina J Froud 1865 Plymouth


RG12/1739
folio 120
page 44

plus i have

Rosina Jane Fewings married dec 1889 to Absolom Henry Froud(5b 627)


William Fewings death. march 1887 age 58 Tiverton (5b 343)

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Re: IRELAND: Family mystery!!
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 29 June 05 22:30 BST (UK) »

Looking at the image - it looks like Fewings to me!!

also a boarder - not a familiar name to us - but maybe later !

Elizabeth Roberts age 33 Dressmaker Plymouth Devon

wonder if they used a mark or wrote their name !! Fanning Fenning Fewing maybe they are all the same name!! :P

I have 12 different spellings of my Muels Moules etc.....::)

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