Joseph Ralph WATSON

[bendywendy]

I need to check what address his father was residing at, Mimico rings a bell for some reason, but then I have done research for other folk in same area, so gets a bit confusing at times. I will re-read the info for the other Watson thread and see what addresses were found.

As for the Joseph that sailed 1906 tis very possible it is him, he married 1904 to Ellis Boyes and by this time 2 children had been born.
The marriage cert could state his father's name and the divorce records could give other information, I think this contact I have re Ellis Boyes may well obtain these, hopefully some information may come my way, I will keep you posted.

Now I think I should try and get some sleep... walking the boards is my "minds favourite hobby" when I want to sleep.

bendywendy

[scotiagirl]

I thought previous postings had said that the 1911 census said that Ellis Watson had been married 6 years (therefore married in 1905) and she had Joseph Boyes Watson, age 5 (therefore born around 1906) and Joan Watson, age 4 (therefore born around 1907).  This was sort of pushing me towards thinking that the father was not my Joseph Watson.  Also, the Joseph Watson arriving in Canada in 1906 is supposed to be single and an insurance salesman.

Oh well, enough for me for today too.

[KGarrad]

The column on the 1911 census asks how many COMPLETE years has the present marriage lasted?

So if it says 6, then the marriage took place in 1904!


Actually, if you want to be precise, as the census was taken on 3rd May 1911, the marriage would have taken place between 3rd May 1904, and 2nd May 1905!

[heywood]

I think the details may be there already but

Marriage:  October - December quarter 1904

Birth: Joseph Boyes Watson  July - September 1905

Birth: Ellis  Joan Watson April-June 1907

The second birth would be the doubtful one if he sailed June 1906

You would need to discount this chap really and the births or marriage would probably be the best.
Then if it was him, the divorce papers would hopefully give more information.

I realise you only wanted a death but there is reasonable evidence that he was in London so that is a bit more info.

Heywood

[bendywendy]

Good morning everyone

From what I can find out Ellis Joan Watson was born 6 Jan 1907, so this would have made Ellis pregnant in June 1906 when this Joseph Watson sailed.

b.

[heywood]

The tree says January but the registration is the following  quarter. 

Just noticed too that on the tree Joseph's year of birth is 1880 which seems to be based on the age at divorce proceedings -33 yrs in 1913.

[bendywendy]

Tree holder has told me there is unknown areas, I wonder if Ellis Joan was registered later for some reason

I believe tree holder is going to obtain the marriage cert and the divorce doc's, the only problem with these latter ones which are at NA is that I know from a few weeks ago I tried to obtain a copy of a divorce and was told that I cannot have one as it means a member of staff having to go through the whole file and they are not in alpha/date order !!!!! I was told I would have to go look myself, now I don't know if this relates to all these divorce files or just the one I required a copy from, I was annoyed as the info stated I could obtain a copy

Does seem a strange coincidence for this Joseph Watson not to be the same JW that went into the Yeomanry with Harry Samman who she later married and whether these JW are one or the same including the Ralph and Beverley names too.

It really is a case of obtaining the relevant certs and going from there.

This Joseph Watson is as interesting as the other Watson saga.

Now for housework.

b.

[heywood]

Thanks for the update. I do hope we get some info soon. 

[bendywendy]

I've also found the microfilm copy of the Detroit Border crossing report for my Joseph R. Watson.  He crossed on May 24, 1912.  At the bottom of the document there is an entry for "seaport and date of landing and name of steamship" (probably to Canada) and it is filled in "Quebec 6-1-06 ss Virginian".  He's listed as single, an insurance agent, 28 years old and born in Beverly, England.  He lists Toronto, Ontario as his last permanent residence. He lists his father Joseph R Watson, 332 Mimico Ave Toronto as his Canadian contact, and his destination address as Chicago, Illinois to his brother, Douglas Watson, 39 Ulster Ave.

I have had another look at this Border Crossing, see info below, father is just Jos Watson, there is something else written at an angle to the rest, looks like farming, but I cannot be certain. On this doc it dosen't show when he arrived in Canada or his brother Douglas or an address, is there another doc

Border Crossings Canada to US 1895-1956 - M1464 - St. Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954
Joseph Ralph Watson
Arrival Date: May 1912
Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan, USA
Residence Country: Canada
Age:   28
Birth Date:   abt 1884
Birth Country:   England
Gender:   Male
Race/Nationality:   English
Record Type:   Manifests
Line Number:   19

Now this date 1906 raises a question, was father Joseph Watson in Canada 1906 before he left UK 1907 with Alice
see Watson link http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=533187.54  Page 7
and...
according to what broadgate has put on this link today father Joseph Watson returned to UK 1908 after his wife Lavinia's death ... http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=533187.144 Page 17
I haven't found any Passenger Records for Joseph Watson snr for these crossings, so this causes problems as to whether these two Joseph's and Douglas are the same family as who we thought they were, but lets not discount them yet, Joseph Watson & Alice wasn't all that good at covering their tracks and we haven't started on tracing Douglas yet, who may well prove to be the key to these two Joseph's

Furthermore I have created another thread on Canada board asking for info regarding who was at 332 Mimico Ave, Toronto.... http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=685491.new#new    scotiagirl are you able to assist with finding this information please

I have also asked broadgate on the Watson thread to ask William in Canada if he has any knowledge of his grandfather Joseph Watson residing at 332 Mimico Ave.

broadgate has added some photographs of Alice on the Watson thread if anyone would like to look at them.

scotiagirl, I know you was hoping for a death but we have to find the right Joseph Watson then we may be able to find his death.

bendywendy