Joseph Ralph WATSON

[bendywendy]

http://www.angloboerwar.com/unit-information/imperial-yeomanry-by-company/1946-imperial-yeomanry?showall=1

scroll down to:
Second Contingent.  Spring 1901.  16,597 men, of which only 655 re-enlisted from First Contingent, formed in UK, some forming new companies, others replenishing old companies as they returned from South Africa.

Apr 1901.  As the First Contingent Imperial Yeomanry returned from South Africa, the part-time Yeomanry Cavalry in the UK were reorganised as 'Imperial Yeomanry' in mounted infantry regiments of 596 all ranks (four squadrons and a machine gun section).  They were equipped with carbines and bayonets, but swords were later permitted for certain ceremonial and escort functions.  Some of the new regiments were raised from South African veterans.

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The medal entitlement can be found in the book "The Roll of the Imperial Yeomanry, Scottish Horse and Lovat's Scouts.  2nd Boer War.  Being an alphabetical list of the 39,800 men of these volunteer forces who enlisted for the 2nd Boer War.  Listing regimental details, clasps to Queen's South Africa Medal and casualty status".  Compiled by Kevin J Asplin.  Second edition available from DP&G Publishing, PO Box 186, Doncaster, S Yorkshire, DN4 0HN.

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http://www.britishmedals.us/files/iyw.htm
Watson, J.     Orderly    I.Y. Hospital, Pretoria
Watson, J.    27126, Sergeant    42nd Coy., 12th Bn. I.Y.
Watson, J.    21091, Squadron Sergeant Major    59th Coy., 15th Bn. I.Y.
Watson, Joseph    26347*, Corporal    1st Scottish Horse
Watson, Joseph    25813, Trooper    11th Coy., 3rd Bn. I.Y.

and if he changed his name whilst serving, one of these entries could be him:
Watson, R.    27201, Trooper    41st Coy., 4th Bn. I.Y.
Watson, R.J.     Lieutenant    24th Bn. I.Y. Staff

bendywendy

[bendywendy]

Name:
WATSON, RALPH
Regimental Number:
63
Date of Birth:
23/10/1883
Reference: RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 10144 - 1
Item Number:302006

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=302006

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Name:
PEAKE, NORMAN ANDERSON
Rank: LT
Regimental Number:
891
Date of Birth:
18/10/1894
Reference: RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 7679 - 44
Item Number:572389

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=572389

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bendywendy

[scotiagirl]

Hi all you hard-working little beavers....

I think one of my posts got lost.  I was trying to weed out the Watsons in western Canada around 1916.  One census report for Saskatchewan 1916 has Joseph Watson, 39, born in Ontario (Definitely not my Joseph Watson).  The 1916 Census (Alberta) has a Joseph Watson, 33, single, labourer, immigrated from England 1910 and at the time on military service at a camp in Medicine Hat, Alberta.  Don't think he's my Joseph Watson because my Joseph Watson should be in France at that time.  Then there's the Joseph Watson, married, age 27, born about 1883 who, according to the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935, arrived in Quebec, Canada from Liverpool on the "Virginian" on 3 June 1910.  This Joseph Watson was supposed to have farmed in England (looks like from 1899-1904) and is headed for Battleford, Saskatchewan to farm.  I always thought that this was my Joseph Watson but now I'm not so sure.  For one thing, my Joseph Watson Jr. wouldn't have been farming in England in 1901 because he was in South Africa.  Any thoughts on any of these? 

Hello heywood

You described the marriage of Joseph and Ellis in Beverley.  Do you have access to the marriage certificate?  Does it give Joseph's parents' names?

O.K.  Gotta go.  My brain is completely fried.  Thanks for everything everybody!!

[heywood]

You would have to send for the certificate. Unless there are Parish records somewhere but I can't see any.

December quarter 1904. Beverley volume 9d page 221. Ellis Boyes and Joseph Watson

Bendywendy,

I wonder if there was a marriage announcement in the paper and a divorce report?

Scotiagirl,

You would need confirmation of the above to make a definite connection to Ralph. You have the Canadian side to 1919 and then I would say it very probable that the entries in London to 1930 are him also.

Heywood

[bendywendy]

I have searched and searched the newspapers for the marriage notice, but cannot find anything in either of their names. I have searched into 1905 just in case they married at the end of December. Their first born Joseph Boyes Watson is reg Sep Q 1905 @ Beverley and their is no mention of his birth either, I am wondering if this was a "quick marriage", if you look at the dates for marriage to birth it is possible and maybe this is why there is no marriage or birth notice in the newspaper. Also there is no birth notice for daughter Ellis Joan born Jun Q 1907 Chorlton, Lancashire.


scotiagirl

Why was Joseph in France 1910 and how do you know he was or should have been
If you have information to his whereabouts at anytime its best if you can state this as it saves us a great deal of time searching for information.

You also need to obtain a copy of the Divorce between him and Ellis Boyes, which is held at National Archives, Kew which heywood found and put the link up yesterday, it could give details as to his occupation and place of abode etc..

bendywendy

[bendywendy]

Hull Daily Mail East Riding of Yorkshire, England
27 Sep 1930
Humberside Echoes
ater—especially in the Humber. * * * double Engagement. Photo Miss Ellis Joan Watson, who i engaged to Mr Brian E. Moody, son of and Mrs C. H. Moody, of Ripon. - Miss Watson keen tennis player and has played the Yorkshire trials. She recently took up flying....


The Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer West Yorkshire, England
26 Sep 1930
COURT & PERSONAL
Joan Watson, daughter of Lady Samman and step-daughter of Sir Henry Samman, Bart., of Cottingham, to Mr. Brian E. Moody, son of Dr. and Mrs. C. H. Moody, Ripon.....


Hull Daily Mail East Riding of Yorkshire, England
8 Feb 1937
BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, DEATHS, IN MEMORIAM NOTICES, and CONDOLENCES
Feb. 7th. Welham Lodge. Newland Park, to Mr and Mrs J. B. (Skidder) Watson (nee Betty Andrew) a son.


Hull Daily Mail East Riding of Yorkshire, England
27 Sep 1930
Humberside Echoes
brother and sister Mr J. R. Watson and Mr Miss Ellis Joan Watson, the son and daughter of Lady Samman and step-son and step-daughter of Sir Henry Samman, of Cottingham, near Hull. The son, Mr J. R. Watson, known as Skidder, is to marry Miss B. Dawkins


The Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer West Yorkshire, England
26 Sep 1930
COURT & PERSONAL
announced of Miss B. daughter of Mr. Dawkins, Senior District Officer of Moshi, Tanganyika, and Mrs. Dawkins, to Mr. J. B. (Skidder) Watson, son of Lady Samman and step-son of Sir Henry Samman, Bart., of Cottingham, Yorkshire. The wedding will take place in

[heywood]

Here is the info re ordering a copy of the divorce papers
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/recordcopying/

As bendywendy says, it could provide useful info re his whereabouts and occupation etc.

However, that is provided we have the right Joseph. 

[bendywendy]

I think this is as far as we can go with this, there does not appear to be anything else relating to any of the names that has not already been found.

scotiagirl keep us informed please.

bendywendy

[scotiagirl]

Hi bendywendy

No, sorry for the confusion.  I didn't mean to say that Joseph was in France in 1910.  I was referring to the Joseph who appears in the Saskatchewan census for 1916 and is listed as married and immigrating to Canada in 1910.  I don't think this is my Joseph (Ralph Beverly) because my Joseph would be in France in 1916.  Could the other Joseph Watson be the Joseph Watson who married and divorced Ellis Boyes? 

I've also found the microfilm copy of the Detroit Border crossing report for my Joseph R. Watson.  He crossed on May 24, 1912.  At the bottom of the document there is an entry for "seaport and date of landing and name of steamship" (probably to Canada) and it is filled in "Quebec 6-1-06 ss Virginian".  He's listed as single, an insurance agent, 28 years old and born in Beverly, England.  He lists Toronto, Ontario as his last permanent residence. He lists his father Joseph R Watson, 332 Mimico Ave Toronto as his Canadian contact, and his destination address as Chicago, Illinois to his brother, Douglas Watson, 39 Ulster Ave.  So if this Joseph came over in 1906, it's unlikely that he's the Joseph who married Ellis and fathered the two children. 

I've found a copy of the passenger list for the June 1 1906 trip of the Virginian from Liverpool to Quebec but I haven't been able to find Joseph Watson on it.  It's pretty bad handwriting but I'll try again. 

I've been through all the Canadian provincial and national census reports for 1911 and can't find my Joseph either.  Maybe, being a salesman, he was on the road?  I've found Joseph Sr in 1911 but my Joseph isn't with him.  I don't know where he was living between 1906 and when he crossed the border to go to his brother's place in May 1912.  Maybe I'll try the Toronto telephone directories. 

To all

I still wish I had been able to find a death notice or record for him (which started this whole line of enquiry).  It's still a mystery but it seems that maybe he did return to England after the war and go into business with that other chap.  And maybe got married (although I have no record of him getting a divorce from Beulah.  Her story was that he had died). Lots of unanswered questions but thanks to everyone for all the time and effort you put into this for me.  It was very much appreciated.