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Re: Joseph Ralph Watson
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 27 April 14 13:54 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone
Well my head is spinning once again with these Watson's  ::)

scotiagirl
Have you obtained your Ralph's birth certificate detailing his parents as Joseph Watson and Lavinia Sanderson ???
Also are you stating that Joseph Dec Q 1883 Sculcoates (inc Kirk Ella) the son of Joseph Watson and Lavinia Sanderson is your Ralph Beverley Watson ???

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HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Joseph Ralph Watson
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 27 April 14 17:20 BST (UK) »
scotiagirl

I think we have met along the way somewhere else, your "handle" is familiar to me do you use this name on any other sites ???

You state that Joseph jnr is your great uncle, is this from his full siblings in England or his half siblings in Canada, its just that I am in contact with some rellies from the England side ???

A possibility that Joseph Watson jnr emigrated to Canada 1910
Joseph Watson
Date of Arrival:3 Jun 1910 --  Ship:Virginian   -- Port of Arrival:Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll:   T-4767

If this entry is him then it states he is Married, 27 yrs, British Bonus Allowed, which means he was given land to farm, Battlefirs ? bad writing at end ?? Sask = Saskatchewan - Cow Farmer  Farmer been in this occupation 1899-1904 C of E.

Again if this is him then what happened to the wife, he could have gone ahead to get home sorted then the wife to follow.... maybe this is why he changed his name, did he "elope" like his father did and leave a wife behind ???

A search for a marriage, Joseph Watson 1901-1910 East Riding of Yorkshire returns possibility of 2
Rose Ann White or Ellis Boyes @ Beverley Dec Q 1904

1911 census, no Rose Ann White fits

1911 census, Ellis Watson living with father Boyes, married 6 yrs, children born 2, no occupation, brn Beverley
Father: Bryan Boyes, 64, Oil & Colour Merchant, Own Account, born Beverley
Brother: Bryan Boyes, 24, as above, brn Beverley
Sister: Edith Mary Boyes, 27, no occ, brn Beverley
Son: Joseph Boyes Watson, 5, brn Beverley
Dau: Joan Watson, 4, brn Didsbury, Lancashire
2 Servants
23 Woodlands, Beverley
NOTE: there is NO Watson husband listed in the census above for with her.
 
Without you obtaining the marriage certificate you won't know who the father's name is for this Joseph Watson.

I have looked for Passenger Lists for Ellis, Joseph Boyes and Joan, there is none.

I have come across a tree for this family, there is very little info for either parent and no parents for either.
I have contacted the tree owner to ask what they know of Joseph Watson, I will post on here when I have a response.

A little further onwards, I cannot find a suitable death for an Ellis Watson 1911 >> but I can find a marriage which could be her:
Ellis Boyes to Henry Samman @ Sculcoates June Q 1914  (did her and Joseph divorce, would have been very costly then so I doubt it)

The name Ellis Boyes is very rare, only 1 birth registered anywhere:

Birth: Ellis Boyes @ Beverley, Dec Q 1882
Death: Ellis Samman @ Holderness, Mar Q 1965, 82 yrs c1883
Birth: Henry Samman @ Skirlaugh, Jun Q 1881
Death: Henry Samman @ Holderness, Dec Q 1960, 79 yrs c1881

It looks like there were no children born to this marriage unless there is a problem with the spelling of the surname Samman ???

I have checked the 1916 Sasketachewan census and there is a Joseph Watson, C = Military, Medicine Hat, Labourer, Male, Single, 33, England, Anglican, emigrated 1910, all questions are in French so I don't know what is asked for rest.

Year: 1916; Census Place: Alberta, Macleod, 05; Roll: T-21952; Page: 5; Family No: 62.
Address: 8, 26, 4, Macleod
Sub District Desc: Townships 7 and 8, whole or fractional, ranges 24, 25 and 26, W. 4. M., west of the Belly River
Household Names:   
William N Damon   59
Alice Damon   55
William Edgar   22
Joseph Watson   33
Robert N Brown   30

scotiagirl, will this fit in with the information you have for him, for this to be him ???

bendywendy


HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Joseph Ralph Watson
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 27 April 14 17:27 BST (UK) »
Bendywendy,

May I just say that this is very interesting and thanks for posting the info.

As you may have seen, I flagged up the earlier thread with your very hard work there so scotiagirl can read through it  ;)

Just as a matter of interest, the RBW in the electoral lists, seems to have a wife, Janet Watson with him in the last entry I can see - 1930.

With regard to Norman Anderson Peake, there is a  bit of info on a published tree and he too is in Wandsworth at similar times to Ralph.

Heywood  :)
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Re: Joseph Ralph Watson
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 27 April 14 17:31 BST (UK) »
Heywood
I hope scotiagirl can get her head around the other thread  ;D
These Watson's are very interesting, but could history repeat itself twice, a father and son eloping and leaving spouses and children  ::)
I have had a reply back from the Tree owner re Ellis Boyes, they have no idea of what happened to her husband Joseph Watson, but is going to ask family if anyone can remember anything.

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HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.


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Re: Joseph Ralph Watson
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 27 April 14 18:25 BST (UK) »
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Re: Joseph Ralph Watson
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 27 April 14 18:38 BST (UK) »
BINGO.... wow so this Joseph Watson could really be the correct one then, thanks heywood.
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HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Joseph Ralph Watson
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 27 April 14 18:50 BST (UK) »
And Ellis became Lady Ellis Samman ... which is just by the by but I like it. :)
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Re: Joseph Ralph Watson
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 27 April 14 19:01 BST (UK) »
well, I can say my face is a picture.... put it there heywood...  ;D
maybe that is how she obtained the finances for a divorce, would have been extremely costly for her especially with him abroad.
So what do we know about Lady Ellis Samman, was she of Leconfield ???
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HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Joseph Ralph Watson
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 27 April 14 19:17 BST (UK) »
I was thinking that it was of little consequence but if it is the right Joseph, there were children involved, of course.
Probate for Bryan Boyes (father?)'s will was granted to Dame Ellis Samman (wife of Sir Henry Samman, knight).

Yes she was of Leconfield.
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