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bendywendy: I have now read the WW1 Service Records for Ralph Turnbull and can state that there was a request for Separation Allowance made to Janet Turnbull the wife of No:51126 Sapper R Turnbull, Royal Engineers, on account of her Immoral Conduct. Dated May 10th 1918. Another letter states address as 38 Westmorland St, West Hartlepool 13th Feb 1917.
Ralph was charged with being: absent from his post many times over, giving false number, idling at work and being absent for ? days several times, over staying his pass several times, arrested by civilian police and regimental police, stealing, obscene language..
Petty Sessional Division of Westbury, Wiltshire.. for stealing 3 bottles of Whiskey value of 12 shillings. In his defence he stated "Not guilty. I was drunk and did not know what I did" 17th June 1915.
Statement as to a Disability 23 Jan 1919 he was living at 10 Pilgrim St, West Hartlepool, 30 yrs, Sapper No:250134. Joined up at Chatham 9th Sept 1914 his medical condition then A1. All questions asked have had 1 line drawn through both sides, nothing written, added, signed or stamped.
Upon joining he was living at 15 Catherine St, West Hartlepool. Was a Superior Rivetter.
Father is John Turnbull of above address.
Wife 138 Westmorland Street, West Hartlepool.
Marriage 7th Jan 1917 West Hartlepool
No children noted
Height 5ft 6 3/4 inch, 133 lbs, chest 38 inch + 2 1/2 expansion, Complexion Fresh, Eyes Hazel, Hair Dark Brown, C of E, Tattoo SPOT base of right thumb
Another sheet he was with 258th Tunnelling Company R.E. and he was remustered to "Sapper" as Rivetter Superior 1/8d rate of Engineer Pay effect 3rd Aug 1916.
His posting to the Railway Operating Division may now be arranged by internal transfer.
Director of Railways states he has applied to be mustered as a "Rivetter" and transferred to the Railway Company, he holds indentures for 5 years as such with Messrs Gray & Co Ltd of West Hartlepool 14th July 1916.
Director of Railways states he has passed the test and will now be transferred 3rd Aug 1916.
Several other documents etc., are in this bundle but the writing is very faded.
1911 cen sees Ralph as Ralph L Turnbull 23, single, Apprentice Rivetter at Shipyard M.Gray born West Hartlepool 1888 living with parents John J Turnbull, Plater at Shipyard born East Hartlepool 1863 and Catherine Turnbull born East Hartlepool 1864 and his siblings George C, Florance E, John J, William S & Sarah J. All living at 15 Catherine St, West Hartlepool.
1901 cen sees a Ralph Luther Turnbull, 11yrs, Inmate, General Field Worker, North Eastern Reformatory, Castle Ward, Ponteland.
A possible death:
Ralph L Turnbull @ Hartlepool, Durham, Mar 1931 aged 41 years Birth date 1890
So, did Ralph and Janet divorce
or did they reconcile
did Janet remarry before marrying Joseph Watson, maybe that is why we are struggling to find a marriage for them in England
heywood: There is a Joseph R Watson marriage to a Janet Turnbull 1941 in Shrewsbury
Janet's death was in Shropshire and there is a Joseph Watson died 1957 Shrewsbury- birth 1883.
Could this be him? Would match the initial info re a death.
bendywendy: Death: Peter Joseph Watson .. November 2005 @ Richmond upon Thames, Surrey, 78 years, DOB 8th Oct 1927.
Marriage: Peter Joseph Watson & Beryl M Harper @ Liverpool, Dec Q 1957
Working from the info of the marriage there are no children born in that area, woody16 do you have the names of these 2 children, if you have can you PM them to me, don't put them on here as its not allowed.
Still cannot find the birth reg for Peter Joseph or the marriage of Joseph/Joey/Ralph to Janet between 1920-1927 unless they didn't marry until much later.
scotiagirl: hi bendywendy.
When you say in Ralph Turnbull's WW1 service records there was a request for a "separation allowance" are you saying that one or the other was requesting a marriage separation? I'm a little confused. In Ralph Watson's Canadian service record, there are many forms entitled "Militia and Defence, Separation and Assigned Pay Branch, Overseas Contingent" in which the "particulars of separation allowance" are listed. I assumed these were allowances given to the spouses who were "separated" from their husbands who were serving overseas. I'm thinking your "separation allowance" and the reason given are something entirely different?
bendywendy: Scotiagirl,
I think that has been misread.
The official note states that 'no further separation allowance' will be made to Mrs Janet Turnbull on account of ...
Sorry heywood is correct, my mistake.
bendywendy: On the other thread it was said that he had died 1920 Vancouver ? and this son Peter was born Oct 1927 but where, so only a 6/7 years time span, pity the 1921 census isn't out yet.
heywood: Janet's relationship with Joseph may not have begun until mid 1920s.
I wonder if the new tree has the marriage certificate and Peter's birth certificate details re Joseph's occupation?
In scotiagirl's notes, there is a mention of a death in 1957. Is that the Joseph who died in Shropshire?
