Alexander stuart wilson

[MonicaL]

I think the children that you found, William and sister Catherine, likely this entry in 1891 Bathgate:

Alexander Wilson 40 oil work lab. b. Ireland
Elizabeth A Wilson 42 b. Ireland
William J Wilson 13 b. Johnstone, Renfrewshire
Catherine A Wilson 12 b. Johnstone, Renfrewshire
Ellen Wilson 10 Johnstone, Renfrewshire
Mary Jane Wilson 8 Johnstone, Renfrewshire
Alexander Wilson 4 Uphall West Lothian

Address: 61 Cochrane St, Bathgate

The other entry you mentioned from 1881, not sure who James is son of, but I think this is the entry:

Elizabeth Wilson 68 Formerly Hand-Loom Weaver b. Johnstone
Peter Wilson 36 son Elderslie, Renfrewshire
James Wilson 32 son Engineer at Works b. Elderslie, Renfrewshire
William Wilson 12
James Wilson 10
Annie Wilson 8 ? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQZK-7JC
Martha Wilson 6 ? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ46-GHJ
William Wilson 4

Address: 9 High Street, Johnstone, Paisley Abbey

Not sure if William and James were born to other children for Elizabeth Snr.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Just posting for background here, as a summary of what you may have added elsewhere Hazelnuts, the children for James and wife Helen Jones (from your online tree):

The marriage was in Bathgate in 1894 and then...

1893 Helen Jones Wilson...was Helen born before their marriage?
1895 John Wilson
1896 Robert Wilson
1897 Alfred Andrew Sangster Wilson
1899 Isabella Waugh Jones wilson
1907 Elizabeth Wilson

From their 1911 census entry, have you established how many children they had living/deceased? Did 1911 also confirm Paisley for James' birth place?

What were the names of Helen Jones' parents?

Monica



   

[loobylooayr]

Drat,
I'd hoped that William and Catherine would give us a lead. 
I have wondered if James parents James or John Wilson and Margaret Gillon were Irish and perhaps married there, hence the reason we have struggled to find a marriage. My Wilson ancestors were Irish coming to Scotland pre -1841.
Trying to find James or John Wilsons is a nightmare!
The James Wilson on the 1881 at High Street Johnstone Paisley  *looks* a possibilty.

Looby

[hazelnuts01]

Hi Monica
Helen was born illegitimate in Lordscairnie, Moonzie, Fife    - name on birth certificate Helen Reid Jones (don't know where the Reid comes in).   The Wilson was just added on I think when they married. 
I recently found a James Wilson (wife Margaret) 1871 census Ancestry.co.uk (aged 40) at that address but no James and could not find  on 1881 census so got a bit lost and didn't get back to that one.   
Only the infant Alfred died 1898 and Elizabeth when she was 26 years
The 1911 census shows them living in Glenelrig Lodge Slamannan with only the girls Isabella and Elizabeth - have not found John or Robert or Helen.
Renfrewshire Paisley is always given as James ' birthplace.  Even 1911 census.
Hazelnuts01

[hazelnuts01]

Hi Looby
I wondered about the Irish side and looked up computer records while in Dublin last summer but got no luck - I will not disregard the idea because it was just a quick look and  the assistant did help but did not think I was on the right track there.
Helen Jones parents were from Ireland - Robert Jones and Mary Black.  Both County Down but that is all the information the marriage cert gives.
Robert Jones parents given as Edward Jones and Elizabeth Waugh.
No parents given for Mary Black.
Hazelnuts01

[loobylooayr]

Hi Hazelnuts,
I'm really going off on a tangent here and wondering if James Wilson had changed his name -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYQS-NJN
The above couple James McLauchlan (there are various spellings) and Margaret Gillan are married in Paisley in 1866 and have several children there.
Maybe grasping at straws for you but it's always a possibility
Looby

[MonicaL]

Hazelnuts, have you found Helen Jones in the earlier censuses up to her marriage in 1894, ie 1881 and 1891 censuses? Where and when was she born? Can't easily see a birth entry for an *el*en Reid Jones in the 1870s.

I saw this entry, which has lots of bells...but likely all not connected given she showed as born in Lanarkshire in 1901 after her marriage. This entry from the 1891 census:

Thomas Wilson 23 rivetter b. Anworth, Kirkcudbright
Martha Wilson 21 b. Paisley
William Wilson 1 month b. Clydebank, Dumbarton
Helen Jones 17 visitor b. Paisley

Address: 6 Union Str, Clydebank, Old Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire

Monica

[MonicaL]

I am confused 

Helen Jones shows as born c. 1876/7 on her 1901 entry:

Just as additional background, this is 1901?

James Wilson 28, Oil Works Pit Headman, b. Paisley
Helen Wilson 24 b. Airdrie, Lanarkshire
Helen Wilson 8
John Wilson 6
Robert Wilson 4
Bella Wilson 1

Address: Barracks, Livingstone, West Lothian

You mentioned that Helen's parents were a Robert Jones and a Mary Black (also here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=219067.0) :

Marriage of parents 1855 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT1W-4LV

Birth of a Helen in 1865 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ91-8XC

That would make Helen a lot younger than James Wilson? What age did Helen show on her marriage cert/death/1911 census? Are you happy with her details (birth, parents' names etc.)?

Monica

[loobylooayr]

Hi Monica ,

That would make Helen a lot younger than James Wilson? What age did Helen show on her marriage cert/death/1911 census? Are you happy with her details (birth, parents' names etc.)?
  quote from Monica
Don't you mean Helen would be a lot older than James Wilson?? She would be approx 29 when she married in 1894 to a 22 year old James.

Looby