WA - death lookup

[Neil Todd]

Aww come on... you can't set the dogs loose then give up   Don't read too much into our chatroom banter. But you should really put in everything you know when you post a question. just saves going over old ground. My apologies if I put you off .

This is one of the more interesting threads that has been on for a while

The Mormon link says lots to me, could be wrong, but I don't think anyone was going to inherit a Baronetcy from the British Throne if they were a Mormon. It may explain the very late registrations and marriage in 1939. Could be wrong though, more often than not I am.

Some seem to have strayed from the righteous path, but thats no nevermind, interesting lot in all. There is nothing to say that the church record is correct it may have been given in absentia? Sounds to me like someone was attempting to arrest a soul in decay

I don't believe your Lily died 1935 but was at home duties at Scarborough in 1958 as per Cando's post.

Just my thoughts.

Neil

[KMurray]

Thanks Neil,

The were a flurry of problems in the East Brisbane Branch around 1900.  Some left at a run and immigrated for Salt Lake City, some left the faith, and others weary of the turmoil became inactive.  I suspect that Lilly (whoever she was) is one of those that simply became inactive around 1900 and it might have been why she moved to Sydney (if only for a break).  I am going to see if there is anything in the Sydney Branch records that gives more information or continuance.  As far as the records...they were recorded at the time of baptism but as to her death year, given that they didn't know where she was, it was probably a second hand rumor.  Elizabeth could well be my Lilly and my what a story she turned into if it is.  Everything seems to fit but two things -  the fact that she register in the faith as Lillian and not Elizabeth or Lilly and the simple fact that they lost her....though she was still in Brisbane.  The missionaries that might have been coming and going wouldn't necessarily know who she had been but the neighborhood would.

My grandfather seemed to adore Lilly as a good friend and I think he had a little crush on her.  If things were to slide and her life turn a major corner it hadn't happened in the period that he had known her, which was 1896 until around early 1899.  There was no mention or forewarning a Lionel.

I appreciated all of your help and your research and time.  What seemed like a simple and sort of helpless question turned into almost an overload of twists and turns and I am sort of exhausted now.  I have recorded all the information to keep track of and in a couple of weeks I will return to the fray and see what more I can find or at least until I feel confident in the identity. 

[Neil Todd]

No problems, we are only too happy to help

Neil

[cando]

Certainly one of the more interesting enquiries

I did find a Mr F D J AFFLECK on the passenger list on the TYRIAN which arrived in Sydney NSW on the 23 Jan 1903 from Brisbane.

This marriage certificate would detail Lily's parents' names including her mother's maiden name.  You can order online [AUD$28] and a copy will be mailed.
Search for the record and then order...all on the results page.
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m

1918/B22049   
GREEN Lily      
AFFLECK Frederick Danby James

Do Mormon baptisms require a sponsor/sponsors or alternatively, are there witnesses to baptisms?


Cando

[Neil Todd]

Cando
"Do Mormon baptisms require a sponsor/sponsors or alternatively, are there witnesses to baptisms?"
Interesting!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_in_Mormonism

Neil

[cando]

I am looking for any information on the death of Lillian Ross.  She was born in 1879 but I am not sure of the location (NSW, Queensland, or WA).  Her father was Alfred Ross but I don't have the name of her mother.  She died in 1935 and we believe it was in Western Australia.  I believe she never married, but again I can't say for sure at this point.  I am truly starting at the beginning.

I guess really if you can find anything that points to birth information that would be welcomed as well.

Sorry for the sparse details and thank you for anything that you might bring to light.

Kathy

This may or may not confuse you.

http://nis.wikidot.com/atkins

You have the Alfred Quarme ROSS on an online tree however it appears you have removed the tree...or possibly my research skills are lacking

I notice you were enquiring about the LEBHERZ family.

This might be a bit of news but this Lebherz family figures prominently in the journals of my grandfather (William Armstrong)who was a Mormon missionary in Brisbane 1896-1898.  This was a beloved family for my grandfather and they were very active Mormons at the time.  There was a large apostasy of the Branch in 1901 and several members changed to the RLDS group.

According to the electoral rolls Alfred Quarme ROSS and the LEBHERZ family were living in Stanley Street, South Brisbane.  May simply be a co-incidence.

Kathy are we researching your own ancestors or simply the names of the people who featured in your grandfather's diary?

Cando

[KMurray]

Cando,

I do have a tree for the Ross family as well as the Lebherz family.  In filling in the gaps in my grandfather's diaries, I have been doing some research as to the other families to see what became of them.  It started with the Lebherz family and then I connected with the woman doing research for that family.  They were at a road block because of some changes in spelling from German to French and because they didn't have the names of the parents.  I was able to give her that from the church record.   I am at the end of the process now, having finally cracked the toughest nuts.  I wasn't sure of the street but it would be a given that they were in the same neighborhood.

Thanks again for all the help.  I suspected it was that Alfred Ross family but what I didn't know was that Elizabeth went by Lilly.

Kathy

Kathy

[KMurray]

I have been away from this since last week and I am afraid that I have missed numerous questions.  Cando you were asking about the baptisms.... all baptisms are witnessed by at least three people and recorded.  There is no sponsorship required.

[KMurray]

Lest others join in....on the baptisms let me clarify.  It would be the person performing the baptism and at least two witnesses.