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Re: WA - death lookup
« Reply #18 on: Friday 25 April 14 05:34 BST (UK) »
If this were my family I would be saving up my pennies and getting all three marriage certs.  The first one I would get is the 1918 one.... 

I agree, it is a very interesting thread  :)   

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Of course, it was (and still is) illegal to marry someone who is already married, so the 1939 marriage may well be the flawed one rather than making something 'more legal'.    You can change your name by simply becoming known by another name!  (not just changing your surname .... you can change your given names too !)   

So ;D  ;D May I just mention, even today, it would still be illegal for me (a married woman) to remarry my husband, as afterall, he IS a married man (and I too am already married, I am a married woman  :D  :D  :o ).   

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QLD MARRIAGES

1899 B20350
Elizabeth Annie ROSS  to  Lionel Laurence GREEN

1918 B22049
Lily GREEN  to  Frederick Danby James AFFLECK

1939 B35765
Frederick Danby James AFFLECK  to  Elizabeth Annie GREEN


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Re: WA - death lookup
« Reply #19 on: Friday 25 April 14 05:51 BST (UK) »
Many mentions on TROVE

Lots of info on the AFFLECK's
Morning Bulletin, Rockhampton  31 Jul 1939
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z11/
Frederick James Siddartha, born at Wynnum in 1905, and Dalham Robert, born at Morningside in 1906.....
Mention of aged mother using another name etc etc.


Sydney Morning Herald 31 Jul 1939
PRISONER SUCCEEDS TO TITLE.
Baronet of Dalham Hall.
THREE MORE YEARS IN .GAOL
BRISBANE, Sunday.
Sir Frederick James Siddartha Affleck, ninth baronet of Dalham Hall, succeeded to his title while in 'Boggo Road Gaol, Brisbane, this week.
He and his brother Dalham Robert Affleck, will spend nearly three more years In gaol as a result of a sentence for robberv and blackmail committed in Bnsbane last year.
The eighth baronet. Sir Frederick Danby James Affleck, died in Brisbane last week, and was buried in the Toowong Cemetery.
In an interview in gaol, the new baronet said that he hoped to go to England to take up the title when tree. He also hoped to become an author
The late Sir Frcdetick Affleck had lived In Queensland since the eighties, and was 83. He had farms in the Wide Bay district. In 1903 he was the licence of the National Hotel, Brisbane. There is no English estate accompanying the title.

The Australasian [Melbourne]  Sat 29 Jul 1939
OBITUARIES FROM ALL STATES
SIR FREDERICK AFFLECK (Q.)
Sir Frederick Danby James Affleck, eighth baronet, of Dalham Hall, Suffolk, England, died in the general hospital, Brisbane, at the age of 83 years. He had been in Queensland for several years.
Sir Frederick Affleck kept to himself a good deal, and recently had been living in a small house at Scarborough. He succeeded his cousin, Sir Robert Affleck, in 1919.

Mirror Perth  Sat 12 Aug 1939
Blackmailing Baronet Will Stay In Gaol
A fortnight ago 83-year-old Sir Frederick Affleck, Bart., died in Brisbane. A search for his son, Frederick, the heir to the title began, and he was finally located in Brisbane gaol where he is serving a four years’ sentence for blackmail and conspiracy. He succeeded to the title while in gaol. On learning that he was a baronet, the young son of British nobility appealed against the sentence passed on him in 1937. But this week the Appeal Court dismissed his claim. 'Honorable' Sir Frederick will serve another two years.
Two years ago he and his brother were convicted on a charge of conspiracy and blackmail. They became known as the ''camera blackmailers,' and this was how they worked. They started what they called a ‘club for jaded business men who wanted to play around.' To the secret headquarters in a Valley flat a certain type of business man went during his spare hours. Then the Affleck brothers, by means of a camera concealed in a cupboard, took flashlight photographs of members in decidedly compromising positions. The photos were developed, and then things happened. One of the brothers would calmly show a victim the photos, mention how decidedly awkward it would be if the pictures were circulated among his business acquaintances, and suggest that, for a sum of money, the incriminating evidence would be burnt. PAID— AND PLENTY Naturally, the money was paid plenty of it— and quickly. And so the blackmailing racket went on until one young shop assistant, with the blackmail gun at his head, went to the police. Frederick and Robert Affleck went down for four years. And it was after  they had served two years of the sentence (a fortnight ago) that the death of their  father caused the title to pass to Frederick  Affleck. A blue-blooded scion of British nobility in Brisbane Gaol! That was too much for the other inmates when the news leaked around, and they immediately christened him 'Blue-blood.' —From our Brisbane representative.
Mirror Perth  Sat 12 Aug 1939

The Advocate Sat  22 Nov 1941
Son of Baroness Gaoled for Theft
BRISBANE, Friday. – Frederick Affleck (35), eldest son of the ninth Baroness of Dalham, Suffolk, England, was sentenced to six months imprisonment for the theft of clothing from a city, residential. The Magistrate refused to declare Affleck a habitual criminal.
Police said the Baroness died in Brisbane in 1939, but they had no information on Affleck's claim that had succeeded to the title.

Keep you busy for a while

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Re: WA - death lookup
« Reply #20 on: Friday 25 April 14 06:09 BST (UK) »
Many mentions on TROVE
Lots of info on the AFFLECK's
Morning Bulletin, Rockhampton  31 Jul 1939
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z11/
Mentions of aged mother using another name etc etc.

"He was at Dunwich from 1937 until a few months ago, when he lived in Bonville Avenue, Scarborough-a pathetic blind figure"      I would question the validity of the 1939 marriage after reading that cutting.   The date for that marriage is 21 June 1939.
 

http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/AgencyDetails.aspx?AgencyId=861 

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« Reply #21 on: Friday 25 April 14 06:21 BST (UK) »
OP states her Lily ROSS was in Sydney c1900

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1899 B20350
Elizabeth Annie ROSS  to  Lionel Laurence GREEN

Australian Electoral Roll
1903, 1905, 1908
GREEN Lily  McConnell Street  Fortitude Valley  HD
GREEN Lionel Lawrence  McConnell Street  Fortitude Valley  Steward

There are no children registered to his couple.

Death of a Lionel GREEN
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z13/


Australian Electoral Roll - variations on both the spelling of given names.
1905
AFFLECK Frederick Danby James  Thorn Street, Wynnum  Bushman

1919
AFFLECK Frederick Dauby James  Maroochy River   Labourer
AFFLECK Lily  Maroochy River  HD

1925
AFFLECK Frederick Dauby James  Buderim Mountain  Labourer
AFFLECK Lily  Buderim Mountain  HD

1937
AFFLECK Frederick D J  Dunwich  No occupation

1943, 1954, 1958
AFFLECK Lily/Lilley, 78 Seaville Avenue, Scarborough  HD


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Edit to strike out incorrect death...thank you Giblet
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« Reply #23 on: Friday 25 April 14 06:54 BST (UK) »
After all this....is this the OP's Lily ROSS?

I think we need some information from the church record and some address for that time.

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« Reply #24 on: Friday 25 April 14 07:18 BST (UK) »
After all this....is this the OP's Lily ROSS?

I think we need some information from the church record and some address for that time.

Cando

I agree, that church record will be interesting.

IF the Lily Green on the E/R with Lionel is the right one she was supposedly having kids to Affleck at the same time  ???

My head is all but done in now  :o

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« Reply #25 on: Friday 25 April 14 07:23 BST (UK) »
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IF the Lily Green on the E/R with Lionel is the right one she was supposedly having kids to Affleck at the same time  ???

I did mention that there were no births registered to this couple on the Qld birth index.  Certainly make one wonder about the parentage of the chn.

More information would be helpful as it is often the small details that are the most useful.

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« Reply #26 on: Friday 25 April 14 07:32 BST (UK) »
We are meant to be looking for a spinster who died in 1935 in WA

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