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Offline KMurray

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WA - death lookup
« on: Thursday 24 April 14 18:24 BST (UK) »
I am looking for any information on the death of Lillian Ross.  She was born in 1879 but I am not sure of the location (NSW, Queensland, or WA).  Her father was Alfred Ross but I don't have the name of her mother.  She died in 1935 and we believe it was in Western Australia.  I believe she never married, but again I can't say for sure at this point.  I am truly starting at the beginning.

I guess really if you can find anything that points to birth information that would be welcomed as well.

Sorry for the sparse details and thank you for anything that you might bring to light.

Kathy
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Re: WA - death lookup
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 24 April 14 18:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Cathy,

Can you tell us anything about her father, Alfred? Where he died or lived?

There is nothing on the death index to confirm its the right Lillian

WA death index
ROSS    LILLIAN M       District  PLANTAGENET       1935

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 24 April 14 18:55 BST (UK) »
The only thing that I know is that the three of them lived in the Brisbane Cooparoo area in 1896-1899, though perhaps she wasn't living with her parents.  Around 1900 Lillian moved to Sydney, though I don't know how long she remained there.  I have no information on possible siblings or if Lillian even had a middle name.  There is a sense that she lived a rough childhood in the outback, which makes me think that her father might have been a grazer at one point, but it is only a guess.

I hope some of that helps.  That is truly all the details that I have.....  other than I also found that her father had a drinking problem. 

Thanks beforehand for anything that you might find.

Kathy
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Re: WA - death lookup
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 24 April 14 21:59 BST (UK) »
Could be your people.

A Alfred Quarme ROSS married a Julia CUNNINGHAM at Tambaroora NSW in 1872.
SEE:    http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z0o/
They had two children there before moving to Brisbane.
SEE:    http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z0p/
They had three more children in Brisbane
SEE:    https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/querySubmit.m?ReportName=BirthSearch

They must have moved around quite a bit as one child is registered in Sydney after the births in Brisbane so may have returned there. Your Lillian is not registered at either area although it is possible she was still born to them or informally adopted.

There is a death recorded for a Julia ROSS in 1881 Sydney which leads me even more to see a connection.
SEE:    http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z0q/
Alfred Quarme ROSS died in Brisbane in 1905.
See:    https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/querySubmit.m?ReportName=DeathSearch

The two children born Sydney died sydney
SEE:    http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z0r/

As I stated earlier this may or may not be them you would need to confrm.
Modified to include correct link
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Re: WA - death lookup
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 24 April 14 22:28 BST (UK) »
The only thing that I know is that the three of them lived in the Brisbane Cooparoo area in 1896-1899, though perhaps she wasn't living with her parents.  Around 1900 Lillian moved to Sydney,

Hi Kathy,

Are you able to tell us the source of where the above information come from?

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 24 April 14 22:50 BST (UK) »
Interestingly, Australian newspapers have "Lily Ross" daughter of Alfred Quarme ROSS as the wife of Frederick Danby James Affleck, Baronet.  Her real name was Elizabeth Annie (b. 1874) as shown by the births of her children and her death in Queensland in 1958.
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 April 14 23:14 BST (UK) »
Interestingly, Australian newspapers have "Lily Ross" daughter of Alfred Quarme ROSS as the wife of Frederick Danby James Affleck, Baronet.  Her real name was Elizabeth Annie (b. 1874) as shown by the births of her children and her death in Queensland in 1958.

Toowong Cemetery

Affleck Lillian    10 / 10 / 1958   84 years
Affleck Fredderick Danby James    25 / 07 / 1939   83 years

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1958   B28271   Elizabeth Annie    Affleck  ---   Alfred Quarme Ross   Julia Cunningham

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Re: WA - death lookup
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 April 14 23:15 BST (UK) »
So you are saying Jorose that Lillian Ross was Elizabeth A born 1874 Brisbane and she died 1958 not 1935 in WA?

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 24 April 14 23:20 BST (UK) »
Her birth and death date, the name of her father, and the fact that she moved to Sydney around 1900 is from a church record from the era.  The rest I am piecing together from interactions with her and the parents (Mr. and Mrs. Ross) from entries from my grandfather's journals.  I have tired to create families according to everything that I could find from any Alfred in the area with children the appropriate age.  I had Alfred Quarme and his family but had realized until just a moment ago that he had remarried in 1884 and perhaps this why the mother isn't listed and he was living in the appropriate area. This is hopeful but I will keep researching and I have one more record that I will try to find this evening.

The only new puzzle is the new and much later death date.

Thank you so much for your work and helping me as a sounding board.

Kathy
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