Lost Gt Gt Grandfather

[Retpara]

Morning all, Could someone please advise me on two counts. I have had help before in trying to search for my Gt Gt Grandfather a Joseph Bayles Winter off members with no success. As Ancestry was free over the weekend I done an extensive search, but could only come up with one possibility. This was on a 1905 departure list from Southampton to New York a Mr J B Winter, but this would have made him 70 years of age also his name appeared under the Foreigner column and single, but as he was Welsh, there was no column for the Welsh people only English, Scotch, Irish and Foreigners, so would the Welsh be classed as Foreigners, just no idea any help greatly appreciated.

[AMBLY]

Hi Retpara

Sorry to disappoint you 

The man who travelled on the Kronprinz Wilhelm on 4 Jan 1905, from Southampton and arrived in New York on 11 January, was not J B WINTER - but G B WINTER, listed on the NY arrival manifest as:  George Bratchwell WINTER. He is listed on the arrival with all the other passengers around him as on the list you found (meaning, it's the same person as you had seen). The writer of the Departure manifest wrote his "G" in a way that does look like a "J"   - and if you look at JS THOMSON on that list you found (who is a James) the actual 'J' in JS is quite different. Another  actual "G" name mistaken as a "J" on that same page  is JH PERLEY who was  in full, George Halsey PERLEY.

Cheers
AMBLY

[Retpara]

Many thanks to you Ambly for the information you have given, I did have my doubts. One main thing is you have now confirmed it and I can eliminate this one from my search.
Many thanks again,
Retpara.

(Did you happen to know if the Welsh were classed as Foreigners on these lists).

[Mabel Bagshawe]

More likely a welsh person would be recorded as English than a foreigner

[heywood]

I saw this earlier, having read your other thread and thought I would post it for information.

1871     5391/  33  / 6

7 Robert's Square, Merthyr

Eliza Bailey married 29 yrs born Glamorgan Glynn Heath / Neath
Thomas Bailey son 9 yrs born Merthyr
George son 8 yrs born Merthyr

Plus younger children- Ann 5 yrs, Daniel 2 yrs and William 6 months. Also
Mother Ann Davis and Brother Thomas.

I was unsure but have just seen that in 1862 there was a William Youd and an Eliza Davies on the same marriage page and a death for William Youd in 1864.

Regards
Heywood

[Retpara]

Hi Heywood, many thanks for your input hadn't come across this one before, have to check it out as my gt gt grandfather's second marriage was to an Eliza Youd, it was after this marriage they both disappear from any records.
Many thanks,
Retpara.

[heywood]

If you have the marriage certificate for Eliza Youd, that would confirm the Davies/ Youd theory and it could well be Thomas and George.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Welsh newspapers online has an advert in an Oct 1863 edition of the Merthyr Telegraph for the auction of three houses, with gardens, adjoining the duke of York Inn in Bridge St. Tenant of one dwelling was William Youd.

I've found him on 1861 in Bridge St- only problem is he has a wife Phoebe who lives until 1901, and the only child of their marriage I can see is called George Alexander.

[heywood]

I suppose that's why you need a certificate to see if any of this applies.

Yes with the  1864 death, letters of admin are granted to Phoebe so you are right Mabel, thanks.

So who is Eliza Youd?