Thomas DOWSELL born about 1807 Cricklade, Wiltshire

[keyboard86]

Again as Dowdeswell in 1871 wife Mary 42 and an Agnes 12 at Ridlers Lane, Cricklade RG10/1887/27/16 and Ridlers Lane in 1861 RG09/1274/81/7 as Dowdeswell

Keyboard86

[keyboard86]

Hi again, 1861 census:-

Thomas DOWDESWELL 54 Occ Ag Lab
Elizabeth 56
Residing at Spittle Gate, Cricklade
Census ref RG09/1274/83/12

Keyboard86

[keyboard86]

Last one tonight:-

Marriage Lucy Dowdeswell to Thomas Wilks March qtr 1859 Cricklade 5a 19

1881 census

Thomas Wilks 42
Lucy 41
Joseph 20
William 12
Elizabeth 7
Elizabeth Dowdeswell 78 Boarder
Residing at Calcut Street, Cricklade
Census ref RG11/2023/75/10

Keyboard86

[keyboard86]

By the way, I am assuming that this Thomas Dowdeswell is the father of my great-great-grandfather Henry Dowsell born Mynety, Wiltshire, about 1841, although I cannot find a birth / baptism for the latter.  I know about his marriages, children and death, but not birth.

Getting a bit worried that you have followed the incorrect line, if your Henry is the one in 1871/81 Cardiff in 1871 married to a Margaret with children Margaret and William he was b c 1841 not the c 1836 I showed and you confirmed?

Have you the marriage certificate to Margaret ( if the correct Henry)?

1871 census RG10/5358/32/37 and 1881 RG11/5277/112/24

Also this possible death Henry Dowdeswell March qtr 1843 Cricklade & C v8 page 229

[youngtug]

According to the transcription on the OPC site Henry Dowdeswell buried 15-Mar-1843 was 7 years old.
 Again, to be sure the original records and certificates are the best way of proving anything. There may not be a reference to connect people once you get back onto parish records only and so anything that is "guesswork" will have to be a "maybe". Sometimes something comes out of the blue and proves, or disproves, the theory.

[Tufty]

Dear keyboard86 and youngtug....

One point: remember, the 1841 census attests that a Henry Dowsell was born to parents Thomas & Elizabeth in 1835-6, not 1841.

Now I must admit that Henry's marriage and death certificates (which I have) give an age which makes his birth to be 1841, as do subsequent censuses which he filled out.  However, if the marriage cert is to be believed, both Henry and Margaret were 25 when they wed, so I have gone along with believing that Henry fudged his age in order to appear younger, either for her, or for employment reasons when he migrated to Cardiff, or some other reason like vanity.  It happens, as you know!  I can see that the Henry Dowdsewell buried 1843 age 7 in Cricklade parish does sound awfully relevant, but it could be a different Henry D I suppose..

Incidentally, Henry D is 'Dowdeswell' on his daughter's birth certificate, 'Dowsell' on his son's and 'Dowswell' on his marriage cert!  Couldn't seem to make up his mind, but finally plumped for 'Dowsell" (death cert)

I think there may well be mileage in youngtug's Cricklade parish find: marriage of Thomas 'Poundsell' to Elizabeth Brown 19.12.1826 - which fits the ages of children born to Thomas & Elizabeth Dowsell of Cricklade in 1841 census - and also might explain Esther Brown living with them - Elizabeth's mother? - and Alfred Brown age 5 - son of a perhaps deceased sister of Elizabeth, therefore Esther's grandson?

Henry ('Harry' somewhere) married twice: second marriage being to Ann White in 1873.  On both those certificates he states his father to be Thomas Dowswell, a carpenter.  'Deceased' in 1873.  Therefore it appears that Thomas died some time between Henry's 2 marriages, that is between 1866 and 1873.

I hope you are both as intrigued by this as I am.

Any further progress would be gratefully received.

Tufty

[keyboard86]

  Hi again, 2 things, so father Thomas who in 1841/51/61 suddenly decides he has had enough of being an Ag Lab, so has a change of career and becomes a Carpenter, not only that but he decides to have only one child ie Henry born in Minety/Myntey, from a personal viewpoint I believe the death of Henry in 1841 was the one in 1843 as it seems odd that he is not with his family or any relatives in 1851/61?

I can promise you I have been "On the case" over 2 days now, and he really is a puzzle!

Keyboard86

[youngtug]

I see from the transcripts that Thomas, of St, Sampson was buried 10-Aug-1864  aged 57 which ties in with the birth of 1806
 The other [mine] Thomas of Chelworth is buried 8-Jan-1864  aged 64

[Tufty]

Sorry, I'm off to Cardiff City v Stoke now.  Pity me.  (Supporter 50 years).

Will reply later.

Tufty