Thank you hollzy. It seems to me the step of ordering the transcriptions of Death Certificates of Clement and Sarah PATMORE is the only option at this stage. There is probably little else to be found on the public record and the information on the certificates about their children may at least give you time-frame for the 2 missing people. If, of course, this information is known to the person informing Hi All, Just an update to say, Clement Patmore had no information on his death transcript, he was in Randwick Asylum when he died, but Sarah had a little more detail, going by the number of males and females living and deceased Titus and Ruth were both deceased by the time of her death. Thank you all for your help. Case closed..