john Bateman

[berylsmart]

I am completely stuck. John Bateman seems to appear in the 1841 census as John Baitman, then visiting someone, with his wife Sarah bateman. After that he does not appear in any other census, nor does he appear to die. he was born in either Asthall, Oxon or Burfoed, Oxon and his wife Sarah was born in Hailey, Oxfordshire. he was born eround 1789. can anybody make any suggestions where I look next.
Beryl

[KGarrad]

Do you have the census reference for the 1841 census?

I found this one, but not sure it's the one you found?

Reference - Class: HO107; Piece: 353; Book: 13; Folio: 53; Page: 19
St Mary's Cheltenham

Ford, Ann  F  30  Independent
Anderson, Sarah  F  60  Female Servant
Wood, Susan  F  63  Female Servant
Baitman, John  M  52  Male Servant

all born out of county, except Susan Wood.

Can't see a Sarah Bateman?

[berylsmart]

That is the one I found. I found Sarah and the children quite separately, but also in Cheltenham. I would have assumed he had died and that she was a widow, if it hadn't been for their joint appearance on the 1851 census. She is down as Sarah Bateman (previous spelling). I assumed that he must have been at work on the night of the census - possibly a live-in servant, but again I haven't got a definite answer. Any help, advice or suggestions would be extremely welcome. I have been battling with this man for nearly 10 years!                                                                                                               

[lizdb]

. John Bateman seems to appear in the 1841 census as John Baitman, then visiting someone, with his wife Sarah bateman. After that he does not appear in any other census,

Now we are confused, as you now say he is on 1851!!!

Can you give the ref for the 1851 sighting of him with Sarah?

[KGarrad]

I'm not seeing a John Bateman, born 1789 Oxfordshire, with a wife Sarah in 1851?
Could do with the reference - or at least the address!

[berylsmart]

The 1851 reference is Schedule 34, Piece 1732, Folio 615, Page 9. The transcription says Batemon, but the original image clearly says Bateman. They are visiting someone in Swerford Oxfordshire.

[giggsycat]

Hi Beryl

If this is the 1851 you refer to, John is an Accountant. Are you sure they are the same man?


Division Of County    
Ecclesiastical District    
Enumeration District    SWERFORD
Hamlet    SWERFORD
House Name    
House Number    
Parliamentary Borough    
Municipal Ward    
Registration District    CHIPPING NORTON
Category    Census, Land & Surveys
Record set    1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Collections from    Great Britain
Person 1
First Name    RACHEL
Last Name    HUMPHRIS
Birth Year    1788
Age    63
Birth Place    
Birth Town    BAMPTON
Birth County    OXFORDSHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household    HEAD
Gender    Female
Occupation    RETIRED FARMER
Folio    615
Page    9
Piece Number    1732
Source    
Archive Reference    HO107
Person 2
First Name    SARAH
Last Name    BATEMAN
Birth Year    1799
Age    52
Birth Place    
Birth Town    BURFORD
Birth County    OXFORDSHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household    VISITOR
Gender    Female
Occupation    NURSE
Folio    615
Page    9
Piece Number    1732
Source    
Archive Reference    HO107
Person 3
First Name    JOHN
Last Name    BATEMAN
Birth Year    1789
Age    62
Birth Place    
Birth Town    HAILEY
Birth County    OXFORDSHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household    VISITOR
Gender    Male
Occupation    ACCOUNTANT
Folio    615
Page    9
Piece Number    1732
Source    
Archive Reference    HO107

Transcriptions © Oxfordshire Family History Society

I'm still looking at this!

[berylsmart]

That job description puzzles me too, but so much is right - age, age difference, originating from Burford and Hailey (although she is from hailey and he is from Burford). I really don't know what to think. Is there anything else I can try to ensure I have the right couple?

[lizdb]

First we need to determine what will constitute the right couple. What is your interest in this man? Is he an ancestor, in which case, which of his children are you descended from, what other children did he have, have you found their births and marriages, what clues did tbey give about their parents etc?  Or alternatively, is he a sideline, perhaps you are descended from a sibling of his, and found Johns christening and thought you would see what became of him, in which case what else can you tell us about his wider family, his marriage etc.

It is quite difficult to work with just an 1841 census for an apparently single person, and an 1851 census for someone who on the face of it appears to be a different man,  without knowing much about the person we are actually looking for!