Joseph Francis MacMahon

[cando]

Joseph 21/10/1864 age 21 on Ann's death register  (Sent a request for Joseph's birth certificate)

Are you aware that in NSW transcriptions of certificates are available about half the cost of a certified certificate.  Information is the same and quite suitable for family history purposes.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html#transcription
Transcript is emailed.

Cando 

[cando]

I had help from the Bendigo Library in searching but they came back with a two year error on the boys birth

I would never assume that information on a death certificate is correct ie if you are basing their years of birth on Ann's death certificate.

Where did the Bendigo Library source their information on the boys' births?

Cando

[sparrett]

Joseph 21/10/1864 age 21 on Ann's death register  (Sent a request for Joseph's birth certificate)
MARTIN

To whom have you sent a request?

We have not been able to locate the registration of this birth with our resources. Perhaps there is somewhere we have not looked

ADDING
In Reply #38 Ros put up the death notice of a Patrick McMAHON in 1882 (as has Cando).  there was no comment so it was left unconfirmed until now.

Sue

[Mouse 53]

Thanks Cando

Patrick is shown in Bendigo registers as buried in grave 8458 (Confirmed at the expo last month)
Bendigo library also advised me

Baptismal records at St Kilians Catholic Church Bendigo show the following
Born 19th August 1854 William Henry McMahon bapt 8Ocober 1854
Born 1 Nov 1857 James McMahon
Born 7 Dec 1860 Charles McMahon... James and Charles Bapt 17 May 1861
Born 21 Oct 1862 Francis Joseph McMahon bapt 1863

Now you can see that there is some confusion regarding the birth dates for the boys  Are the birth dates as shown in the baptism records correct or is the age of the children correct on Ann's death register.  Only a copy of the actual birth certificate can tell  That is why I have requested a copy of Joseph's certificate

I also have the death record of Thomas son of Patrick and Ann McMahon (formaly Delaney)  Shown as born Ireland, 4 months in Victoria died Melbourne.

[cando]

Patrick is shown in Bendigo registers as buried in grave 8458 (Confirmed at the expo last month)

And by the burial record linked in my post.

There was a tendency for certain sections of the community not to register their children's births and if the births were not registered in the stipulated period there may have been fines however you have their baptism records so fail to understand why you didn't list all this information in your intial request.

Perhaps you missed my comment on a previous post....

I would never assume that information on a death certificate is correct ie if you are basing their years of birth on Ann's death certificate.

Your information and source should be the parish records as the children's births were not registered. The information on the death certificate is incorrect.  Who was the informant on the death certificate?

Cando

[cando]

I also have the death record of Thomas son of Patrick and Ann McMahon (formaly Delaney)  Shown as born Ireland, 4 months in Victoria died Melbourne.

And posted by Merlin however Thomas age was 1 year on the shipping record in 1853 and one year on Merlin's and my resource. You have omitted that from your information.

Looks like a good match considering this death:

MCMAHON Thomas (b. IRELAND) d. age 1 1854 #94
Father: Patrick
Mother: Ann DELANEY

Cando

[Mouse 53]

Informant of Ann was William MacMahon Son Sandhurst

Sorry I did not include all known info (first post)  I will definitely show what I do know in future questions

At the time of the first post I was after a photo of Joseph and this was supplied in by Janette and a link to a queensland site by someone else (Not sure who it was but they will know)

The other information was also welcome but as I was sent so much information I attempted to answer each post

I think I have enough information about the MacMahon side at this time so when I get all known information about his wife Violet Lodder before I post next week (I will just show what I know and I will leave it to all for their input)

Many thanks again to all for their help and it was a great learning curve in how to  pose questions

Best regards

Martin

[majm]

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Thanks Cando

Patrick is shown in Bendigo registers as buried in grave 8458 (Confirmed at the expo last month)
Bendigo library also advised me

Baptismal records at St Kilians Catholic Church Bendigo show the following
....Born 21 Oct 1862 Francis Joseph McMahon bapt 1863

Now you can see that there is some confusion regarding the birth dates for the boys  Are the birth dates as shown in the baptism records correct or is the age of the children correct on Ann's death register.  Only a copy of the actual birth certificate can tell  That is why I have requested a copy of Joseph's certificate

May I butt in please and gently mention from Family History 101 No one is ever born AFTER they are baptised... Therefore if you have a Parish record for 1863 you cannot have them being born in 1864 or even the day after the baptism ....

Cheers JM

[cando]

Informant of Ann was William MacMahon Son Sandhurst

Thank you.  Wm's info was not accurate.

Link to your thread on NZ board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=683106.0

A little more to add to your growing collection of newspaper items.

The Colonist  5 Dec 1899
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yun/
Miss Violet Lodder danced a Highland fling very nicely and had to repeat it.

Dominion  24 Aug 1912
The wedding takes place at Auckland today of Miss Violet Lodder, daughter of the late Mr A V Lodder of Wellington, who is marrying Mr Joseph McMahon, Proprietor of the Queen’s Theatre, Auckland, and brother of Mr Charles McMahon of Wellington and Mr James McMahon of Sydney, all well known in the theatrical world

Observer  31 Aug 1912
Joe McMahon has gone and got married and this is one of the bouquets, or handfuls of rice or old silk slippers or anything that spells luck.  The charming young lady who is now Mrs Joe was Miss Violet Lodder, a name not so well known in Auckland as in Wellington, for the late Mr Lodder, father of Mrs MacMahon, kept the City Buffet Hotel for so many years that most men in the windy city have at some time sampled his brew.  The name is also well known in connection with the Belle Vue Gardens and its hotel – a spot of sylvan beauty just outside Wellington, winded-swept Wellingtonians go for a little calmness and perfume of flowers on Sundays.  Miss Violet Lodder, before the marriage to the picture emperor, assist the firm in conducting a pass office.  Congratulations!


The Bendigo Advertiser   7 Sep 1912
At Auckland on 24th August Mr, Joseph MacMahon, the well-known theatrical agent (now proprietor of the Queen's Theatre, Auckland), was married to Miss Violet Lodder of Wellington.

Cando