Suffolk - William Rush Bruce - Baptism look up please

[Dulverton]

Please let me know the marriage information that you hold for William Rush Bruce & Maria Reeve.
I will then attempt to trace the actual record, assuming that it occurred in a church.

[hotrodpansy]

Hi

William Rush Bruce married Maria Reeve on the 31st Dec 1824 Hintlesham? William was a widower.  I dont have an image of the original entry in the registers.  Let me know if you find one, so I can download it please....Thank you   Regards Hotrodpansy

[Dulverton]

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-birth-marriage-death-and-parish-records?firstname=william%20rush&firstname_variants=true&lastname=bruce&keywordsplace=suffolk

[Dulverton]

I notice that you have been getting help and assistance from Suffolk Sue & Hephzibah with your investigations.
They are very knowledgable and are aware of all the wrinkles  and tricks in ferreting out the required information, in addition they are very generoous with their time.
Lucky you!

[Annette7]

Glad that Hephzibah was able to confirm that William Rush Bruce was indeed baptised in Hintlesham (just didn't seem to me reading your previous thread that the baptisms at Hintlesham had actually been checked before which was indeed the case).

I note that his first marriage to Elizabeth Finch was also at St. Margarets, Ipswich on 10/2/1808 so he was familiar with the area.

Dulverton's suggestion that his 2nd marriage would have given the name of his father is incorrect.   Prior to the start of civil registration in 1837 parish marriages did not state father's names, just their status so something to keep in mind. 

Annette

[Annette7]

Just for my own curiosity - as no children with William and Maria on census - I looked to see if he had any children with Elizabeth and noted at least 4:

William b.1/8/1808, bp.7/8/1808 Kersey - bur.8/2/1818 Hintlesham
then twins
Mary Ann bp.8/2/1818 - bur.19/5/1818 Hintlesham
Sarah Ann bp.8/2/1818 - bur.19/5/1818 Hintlesham
William bp.8/7/1820 Hintlesham

With a 10 year gap between the first William and the twins (how tragic that he and twins all died in the same year, indeed the 3 month twins being buried on the same day) were there any other children born during this period?  I note Elizabeth was bur.16/9/1823 Hintlesham.

I cannot see the 2nd. William born 1820 on census - did he survive?

This family have piqued my interest.

Annette

[hotrodpansy]

Hi Annette

Yes.....a daughter called Harriett selena Bruce born 1810ish Hintlesham...my gtx3 grandmother who I have never been able to find her baptism?? ....been looking on & off for years.

Very sad.......Elizabeth being the mother who died in 1823, leaving William (father) with baby William who did infact survive.  I obtained a copy of the father William's will who says that in 1861 when the will was written that his son William was in the Cape of Good Hope.  I have made enquiries as to what he could be doing there? awaiting some replies.

I do find it odd that the only baptism that we cant find for this family is Harriett?? Could it be spelt another way??   regards Hotrodpansy

[Annette7]

With regards to Harriet Selina, what a shame you hadn't mentioned her on this thread too as it may well be that her baptism is indeed at Hintlesham, as William's was, and could also have been checked.   I note that one online tree shows a date of 6/10/1810 Hintlesham suggesting that it did take place there (occurring pre 1813 when Hintlesham baptisms not online).

Possibility for son William - cannot see him in 1841 when William and Maria are living at St. Margaret, Ipswich.   In 1851 a William Bruce, Sergeant in 91st Rifles, unmarried, 29, born St. Margaret, Suffolk was at Dover Castle Barracks.   I cannot see in other records a William Bruce born in St. Margaret's, Ipswich.  If William and Maria moved to Ipswich shortly after their marriage to St. Margaret's parish perhaps young William thought that was where he was born.   

Cannot find any further trace of this William so perhaps he was indeed the one who went to South Africa.   Certainly the 91st were in South Africa in the 1850's.  Something to keep in mind anyway.

Annette

[hotrodpansy]

Hi Annette

Hepzibah was the person who checked the baptism's at the Ipswich office and I had asked for any brothers/sisters, but they ran out of time so I didnt feel that I could give them more to look up and was thankful for what they had done.  I will have to put up a new post for Harriet.

You have found the only record for William which I had found myself and made a note of....its a great possibility.  Sue Mackay has been looking into possibilities in South Africa, but tbh we dont know why he was out there, it appears he married and had 2 children, but his fathers inheritance was here waiting for him in 1870, he doesnt seem to appear on any passenger lists? to return and collect his inheritance and also the marriage/children could be incorrect, but interestingly he has used the middle name of Rush (like his father) at the baptism's of his children.

I am very interested in your knowledge of the 91st rifle's....South Africa in the 1950's....I have been trying to research this but I couldnt find out much info that was relevant.  Can you make a suggestion?

I agree with you about Williams birth, he was a baby when Elizabeth died and his father William remarried in St Margarets Church Ipswich, so naturally he would assume that he was born there.

Regards Hotrodpansy