Emmanuel Hutchinson of Leck - origins?

[Galium]

I'm sorry about this. It didn't occur to me that 'Kirkby Lonsdale' in a familysearch entry doesn't necessarily mean 'Kirkby Lonsdale'.  Which is what I now find to be the case. 

I did a google search on the GS film number for the Wilkinson entry ( 1471665), and came up with this:

Firbank, Westmoreland, England - Church records
Title:   Parish registers for Kirkby-Lonsdale, 1538-1910
Authors:   Church of England. Parish Church of Kirkby-Lonsdale (Westmoreland)
Film Items:   
Microfilm 1471665 Draft register of baptisms, marriages, burials, 1738-1769; Draft register of baptisms, 1778-1831; Draft register of burials, 1778-1830; Draft register of banns and churchings, 1784-1812; Draft register of baptisms at Mansergh and Lupton chapels, 1759-1789; Draft register of baptisms at Hutton Roof Chapel, 1766-1799; Transcript of register, 1538-1616.

So from this I think it looks as though the baptism of Emanuel Theobalds Wilkinson may be in the register for Firbank, or Hutton Roof Chapel.  Which at least explains why it isn't in the Kirkby Lonsdale register, but you've suffered a wasted journey, which I can only apologise for. 

[heatherjulie]

Have you checked the baptism on Ancestry? Many  libraries have free access to the site.

Emmanuel Theobalds Hutchinson.


Heather

[Evertonian2]

Galium

I got the impression that the Kirkby Lonsdale registers that I looked at included the various chapels round about, including Hutton Roof and Firbank.  I may be wrong.   I will have to have another look or check with the staff whether these registers are separate.  Incidentally when we tried to duplicate the info from Familysearch at the Register Office, the programme wouldn't connect to the site because they only have Windows XP - so that was a bit frustrating as well.  C'est la vie!  Thanks again for your help.

[Evertonian2]

Heather
Thanks for your suggestion.  Yes, I have checked Ancestry which I have, but not luck, I'm afraid.

[Evertonian2]

Galium

I have today checked all the transcripts for the parishes round Kirkby Lonsdale, including Firbank, Killington, Mansergh and Hutton Roof.  No trace of a baptism for Emmanuel Theobalds Wilkinson (or Hutchinson).  I am completely mystified by this.  It looks as if this individual is a hopeful fabrication by someone who doesn't in fact know the details, but as I said before, I can't understand why the reference should be so detailed.  By the way, I live in Preston, so it isn't that far to Kendal and it is a nice place to visit, so I don't so much! However, it is very frustrating no being able to find an Emmanuel.  Have you got any further ideas on this?

[Galium]

It's a good thing you like visiting Kendal!

I don't really know what to suggest. However, I don't think that the baptism is one of those unreliable 'patron submissions' from the old IGI (It is still possible to search the old index, here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi     and that one doesn't seem to be on it).

According to information on the familysearch site, the England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 collection which contains the Wilkinson entry,  " may include information previously published in the International Genealogical Index or Vital Records Index collections."  However it isn't on the Vital Records Index (which I have on disc) either.

When you say you looked at 'transcriptions', do you mean that you saw film/fiche of original registers/ bishop's transcripts, or a more modern printed transcript (which might have had entries missed out in error)?  I believe it is also the case that original registers may contain entries that were missed off the bishop's transcripts, and bishop's transcripts occasionally have more information than the original.  I notice that the description of the LDS film 1471665 in my last post mentions "draft registers", but I am not sure what this might mean.

You could perhaps see whether the Family History Centre at Chorley can help:

https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Preston_England_Family_History_Centre

I've never used a Family History Centre myself, but there  are Rootschatters who have if you need further information.  I think that you would have to order the relevant film, and then visit the centre to view it.

[Evertonian2]

Thanks again for your interest.  I did look at written and printed transcripts.  To be honest, I expected to find the reference there straightaway, and was taken aback when I couldn't find it.  I searched over the whole decade for all the sub-parishes I mentioned and there wasn't a single Emmanuel anywhere.  It did occur to me that the reference might have been omitted from the transcripts, but that seemed to me such a coincidence that it was unlikely.  I confess that I was extremely disappointed.  My wife and I decided to have a chocolate at the Kendal Chocolate House to console ourselves!  I suppose the only thing left now is to visit the Family History Centre at Chorley.  I have visited it once before, years ago.  They were certainly very helpful.  This won't happen for a while, though, because we will be away on holiday for a bit.  Anyway, here's hoping!  Thanks again.