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Re: Hiding Ancestors!
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 01 April 14 14:13 BST (UK) »
The Mount Pellon man with mother Hannah is not yours because he was with his mum in 1841 when your Thomas was with his wife Hannah (see reply #16).

Do let us know when that death cert arrives :)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Hiding Ancestors!
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 01 April 14 14:19 BST (UK) »

I would think it unlikely that his mother shared the same name as his wife??


Perfectly possible

My father had a mother and a wife both named Dorothy

My husband's grandfather had a mother and wife with the names "Sarah Elizabeth"
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Re: Hiding Ancestors!
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 01 April 14 15:03 BST (UK) »
We have found him :)

He died in South Square at Thornton village age 35. Apparently his death cert states liver disease as cause of death but its very sad as he left a wife, a 9 year old and a 5 year old and Hannah, his last daughter was born in 1843, he died 16th october 1843.

Such a tragedy must have been covered in papers.

Thanks al for your help, what a womderful source of help this site is

I have 2 birth certs that I dont want as they were the wrong people. Im going to post on here to see if anyone else would use them.

Right, time to search papers I think :)
Emmott
Hainsworth

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Re: Hiding Ancestors!
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 01 April 14 17:52 BST (UK) »
So probably born 1808

Richard would have been born 1826 if he was 15, which would make Thomas a father at 18 - definitely physically possible


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Re: Hiding Ancestors!
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 01 April 14 18:05 BST (UK) »
So probably born 1808

Richard would have been born 1826 if he was 15, which would make Thomas a father at 18 - definitely physically possible

I'm sure that one could father a child at the age of 18!!!!!!!!  And I'm sure that a hell of a lot have proved it  :o :o :o
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Re: Hiding Ancestors!
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 01 April 14 18:09 BST (UK) »
It's not safe to assume the children born before the marriage to Hannah were Thomas' natural offspring - Hannah may of course have brought them into the marriage with her.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Hiding Ancestors!
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 01 April 14 18:55 BST (UK) »
Richard and Sarah both go by Robinson, never Emmett. Also, Sarahs marriage cert she has no father listed. Why would she not add Thomas, especially seen as he died very young and she was the informant of his death. I would imagine any daughter whose father died so young would want to carry his name.

It is possible, but even if they had them out of wedlock, why would they not change to Emmett?
No, I genuinely believe they were Hannahs, especially considering she was 5 years Thomas' senior.

I now need to trace his lineage.  The oil painting I have as a profile photo looks very much like my late Grandfather. This man is named as William Emmott 1809 - 1879. Potentially a brother of Thomas maybe. 
Emmott
Hainsworth