Hiding Ancestors!

[vicemmott86]

In 1841 there was
Thos Emmel (Thomas Emmett) 30
Hannah Emmel 35
Richard Emmel 15
Sarah Emmel 14
Mary Emmel 5
Benjamin Emmel 3

Educated guess is Richard and Sarah are illegitimate,  Mary and Benjamin are hia.
Sarah has no father on her later marriage to Chas Parkinson, so she is definately illegitimate

[avm228]

So did they not have any more after 1841?

[vicemmott86]

I dont think so, as I say, Hannah married John and was living with him in 1851 and Benjamin had Johns surname. There was a Hannah, 3 years younger than Benjamin. Im trying to trace her now to see if she was Johns, Thomas' or maybe adopted

[avm228]

The daughter Hannah (enumerated in 1851 as Hannah Hainsworth, 7 b Thornton) may have been registered at birth as Hannah Emmett in the Thornton subdistrict of Bradford in 1843, per YorkshireBMD. 

The corresponding GRO index entry shows the registration in Sep qtr 1843.

[vicemmott86]

Oh fantastic! Thank you

That narrows down the time of Thomas death/left them.

[Jomot]

Could this be him?

Address: Mount Pellon 
Parish: Halifax       Registration District:  Halifax

Emmet  Hannah  70 Head   Skircoat, Yorkshire   
Emmet  Thomas  37 Son Hand Loom Weaver  Skircoat, Yorkshire   
Emmet  Joseph  30 Son Hand Weaver Worsted  Skircoat,
Emmet  Mavey  14 Grand Daughter Power Weaver Worsted  Halifax, Yorkshire   

Skircoat is about 8 miles away from Thornton according to Google!

Forgot to add - this is the 1851 census & I note from the 1841 he lists his occupation as a weaver.

[Marmalady]

Educated guess is Richard and Sarah are illegitimate,  Mary and Benjamin are hia.
Sarah has no father on her later marriage to Chas Parkinson, so she is definately illegitimate

Not necessarily so

I have an ancestor with no father's name on her marriage certificate, so I too presumed illegitimacy.
But tracking backwards & forwards through the censuses & parish registers, she was born several years after her parents marriage and her father was alive & well several years after her marriage.

Could Richard & Sarah be Thomas's children by a previous marriage rather than Hannah's?

[avm228]

The Thomas who was enumerated aged 37 with mum Hannah at Mount Pellon in 1851 appears to have been enumerated aged 27 with Hannah at Mount Pellon in 1841 too (as Emmet).

[vicemmott86]

I have requested a copy of a death certificate so hopefully they'll shed some more light on the matter.

I would thjnk it unlikely that his mother shared the same name as his wife?? Not impossible but I just dont get the feeling that this isnt mine. He would have been nearer 40 on the 1851 census too

Again, the children could have been Thomas' but he would have had to have been 15 when he fathered Richard, and 16 when he fathered Sarah, so again, i feel its more likely they were Hannahs

I just have a feeling he died young. I hope not, but i suspect he may have done