HAVILAND

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I am quite sure that 1832 burial in Vol 16 is C of E and IS Abercrombie Ie NOT West Bargo.

It is Abercrombie JM 

EVELYNN Richard age 67yrs
Year: 1832   
State: New South Wales
Ref Number: V18321816 16   
Parish: Abercrombie District; Bathurst, Church of England

[majm]

Colonial Secretarys Office
1st June 1824

Sirs,

Your Letter of the 14th Ult. Having been submitted to the Governor, I have been honoured with his instruction that your application for Richard Evelyn to remain at Bathurst is granted…

I am
Sir
Your Obedt Servant
F Goulburn

Mr John MASWELL, Bathurst.   

May I please note that the above letter has been indexed at SR NSW (and by its former identities) as being for Richard HAVILAND ex the Fortune 1806.      I am typing this up on my e-reader, (so two finger typing, please excuse typos) so I am not able to put a live link to the index, but I have previously linked the Col Sec index 1788-1825. 

I understand that Ancestry has a current partnership with NSW SRO whereby the images from the (old version) of the Col Sec papers (ie to 1825) are available via their subscription website.  I understand that the letter upon which I have based my above transcription may well be available as an image.  I would assume if this is the case, that it is there under HAVILAND, rather than under EVELYN….  I may well be wrong, and so I am happy to be corrected.

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi there,

John MAXWELL, Superintendent of Government Stock …….
 Sydney Gaz 13 Aug 1827
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2188756

John Maxwell retires as principal superintendent of the Government Stock  “Mr Maxwell is an old and confidential servent of the Government ….. the Governor ….. has overlooked neither the value nor extent of his services.  By his retiring from his public situation, the prisoners who were under him have lost a friend,…”
Sydney Gaz 11 Aug 1831
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2202002 

Those words “overlooked neither the value nor extent” suggest to me that there should be a land grant made to John MAXWELL in 1831.  If so, may I speculate it would be in the Westmoreland County which (from memory) included Abercrombie.   Further,        I speculate that Richard Haviland ex the Fortune would have continued to work under John MAXWELL, on Maxwell’s land in the Abercrombie district….     

Cheers,  JM  (borrowed puter, fingers crossed these links work   

[majm]

But I show the guy I'm currently trying to trace as b at Winstone, GLS, in 1768, son of Thomas (2nd marriage?), not of Francis.

I seriously doubt you will be able to firmly establish that your chap who arrived per Fortune in 1806 has any official records in NSW that expressly confirm his parentage.   Civil registrations commence in NSW in 1856.  Prior to that, there's SOME holdings at NSW BDM for Early Church Records.  Often these are simply transmitted summaries sent to the then NSW Chaplains by various clergy of a wide variety of denominations.   Baptisms often show parents and occupation.  Burials do NOT.   Marriages sometimes give an occupation, and usually give name of person giving consent if the bride/groom has not yet reached their majority (which was 21 years and under until the 1970s)   Standardised spelling arrived with the introduction of secular compulsory schooling, which commences from around 1870s....  So you may need to take a much broader view re your Richard Haviland ex the Fortune of 1806.     

Back in 1810 the then governor had issued a General Order to cover recording of baptisms and burials, and later it extended to recording marriages.   Not all clergy heeded the general order.      When researching NSW during the penal era, you need to join the dots very differently from say researching an English county's parish registers.

Quite a number of early NSW parish registers have been transcribed and many of these have been indexed at  https://familysearch.org/search

ADD
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTC1-JHF   This is for a 1854 marriage that does NOT seem to be indexed online at NSW BDM but may be of interest HAVILAND=FERGUSON .... 

and posted earlier on this thread   

 

The article at http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/688489 gives the following:

The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser, 26 April 1854, page 3

On the 20th instant, by the Rev. Alexander McIntyre, Mr. Francis Haviland, of Lidney Park, son of the late Captain Richard Haviland, of her Majesty's Scotch Greys, and nephew of Captain  Francis Haviland, of the 2nd Dragoon Guards, to Mary, eldest daughter of Fergus Ferguson, Esq., of Eskdale. 

Cheers,  JM

[judb]

majm is correct : Colonial Secretary's papers 1788-1825 are digitised.  There are 28 mentions for Richard HAVILAND shown on the index as per Fortune 1806.  Each record, however, does not always mention his ship so there's a possibility that they may not be entirely reliable.

Will summarise but the most interesting one from a genealogical point of view is this:

"List of persons praying His Excellency's permission to have their names published in church in order to their being married _ _ _ Parramatta, 1st June 1818"

Richard HAVILAND - free
Anne EVANS  - prisoner, pr ship Lord Melville

Judith
Summary of other records in next post - all to do with his employment.

[majm]

Hi Jud,

I think Jorose has followed up on that 1818 Application to marry .... and found a later likely  marriage for the lass

I suspect Richard would be "free" by virtue of his 1813 CP    (31 Jan 1813 as per NSW SRO) and IF it was Rev Samuel Marsden making the enquiries about the two parties, then, I feel that HE was often found to be extremely diligent during the latter years of Macquarie's reign.  Rev Marsden seems to have been NOT afraid to decline to marry despite permission of the Governor, if he felt one of the parties had been in contact within the previous seven years with their former spouse.   Macquarie on the other hand had been issuing orders about having those co-habitating outside of marriage, married off !  and the clergy were not at all impressed by those announcements ....... 

For our OP, perhaps some questions may be arising....  May I pop a link to a thread which may cover some of those as yet unasked questions, and provide some answers.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=672942.0

Cheers,  JM 

[judb]

3 Feb 1812
Petition for mitigation of sentence.  The Answer to this petition was a Ticket of Leave granted for the period of one year and to gain Emancipation if he behaved himself during that year.

5 Aug 1815
Paid from the Police Fund for erecting weaning paddock at Rooty Hill for Government

Jul 1820 Castrator of Government Stock. Memorial

19 Jan 1822 On return of horned cattle issued from the Government Herds between 22 Aug 1819 & 27 Dec 1823; Issued 3 cows for services in reclaiming wild cattle

31 Jul 1824 List of stock on various stations - "Gelding from 'Cawdor' being the horse rode by Haviland, the Castrator".  I think the 'station' (ie farm) referred to is called Crooked Corner and is definitely listed as in the Bathurst area.

14 May 1824 Castrator of Government Stock. Advantage of him being permanently stationed at Bathurst; appears as EVELYN.  This request is signed by Major Morrisett who wants HAVILAND to remain in Bathurst - he is referred to as Richard EVELYN throughout this letter.

31 Dec 1824 Payment made to him - sorry I can't see what for 

1824   Salary listed in the Colonial Revenue Account - he was paid 31 pounds but i can't see what period it's for.

29 Jan 1825 Re recovery of heifer by John Macarthur from Government Herd, Bathurst.  Haviland realised that the heifer did not belong to the Govt herd but was privately owned by John Macarthur

All of the other mentions are on returns of Government stock holdings.

Judith

[majm]

Ummm

I can find a CP dated Jan 1813 as per the index....  so that would be the reward from that ToL  of 3 Feb 1812 

The other Richard Haviland I spotted on the BDA arrived 1823 

Yes,  Crooked Corner is definitely in the Bathurst area, as per my own local history knowledge. 

WoW   May 1824 EVELYN and HAVILAND as same person  WELL FOUND JUD....  

Cheers,  JM

[judb]

Hmmm - the EVELYN/HAVILAND connection seems to have been made by the Ancestry indexer?  Or is it somewhere else as well?  It would seem that it's the same person though.  Whether it's OP's ancestor may be another question. 

Judith