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Offline gillianR

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Hickman Family - again
« on: Sunday 23 March 14 13:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

I am trying to find James Hickman born c. 1848 Wolverhampton, Staffs,
on the 1891 Census.

I have him on the 1881 Census thus:
1881 Census from Ancestry.co.uk

James Hickman    Head   M   Age 33   Occ; tin plate worker   Born Wolverhampton Staffs
Ann Hickman   Wife   M   Age 27            Born Wolverhampton Staffs
James Hickman   Son      Age 6            Born    "                 "   
Henry Hickman   Son      Age 5            Born    "                        "
Mary Hickman   Daug      Age 3            Born    "                        "
John P. Hickman Son    Age 2                 Born    "                        "

Address:  1, Price Street Wolverhampton
See Print Out
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2814; Folio: 28;
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His wife Ann was born c. 1843 which ties in with her death.
Death of Ann from Free BMD
Deaths Jun 1885   (>99%)
HICKMAN    Ann    32     Dudley    6c   57
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Not sure about the marriage I found in 1867 on Free BMD
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The 1891 Census I found, does not tie in with the other Census returns listed below, even though James is down as a Widower, and the occupation does not seem right either.
 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2306; Folio: 62;
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1901 Census
HICKMAN James   Head   M   Age 53   B.1848   Occ: Tin Plate Worker   Born Wolverhampton Staffs
HICKMAN   Elizabeth   Wife   M   Age 39   B.1862            Born Nuneaton Staffs
HICKMAN   Minnie   Daug   S   Age 17   B. 1884   Occ:Pin Press Worker   Born Birmingham
HICKMAN John   Son   S   Age 16   B. 1885   Occ; Tin Plate Worker   Born Birmingham
HICKMAN   William   Son      Age 12   B 1889   School Boy      Born Birmingham
HICKMAN Charles   Son      Age 10   B. 1891            Born Birmingham
HICKMAN Thomas   Son      Age 17   B.1884   Occ: Tin Plate Worker   Born Bilston Staffs
HICKMAN Ernest   Son      Age   1   B. 1900            Born Birmingham
Address: 2, Sloane Street, Ladywood, Birmingham   
I do not have the GR Number as this was found for me by a friend.
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1911 Census
James Hickman   Head   Age 62   M   Occ:   Iron Gate Worker       Born Birmingham
Elizabeth Hickman   Wife   Age 49    M 12 years 2 children 2 living         Born Wolverhampton
William Kirby    Son   Age 23   S   Occ: Striker (A Blacksmiths Helper)   Born Birmingham
Ernest Hickman   Son   Age 11                  Born Birmingham
Address: 2 Back of 27 Curzon Street, Birmingham
   
I have the RG number but I do not think I can put it in!!!
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I am presuming James re-married due to an Elizabeth being on the 1901 and 1911 Census, and this was the only marriage I could find:
Marriage from Free BMD 2nd Marriage.
Marriages Mar 1897   (>99%)
Hickman    James        Birmingham       
Lovett    Jane Elizabeth      Birmingham   
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I have noticed on the 1901 that some of the children should be STEP children to James, due to their ages and the length of time James and Elizabeth were married (1911 Census) 12 years.

Also you will notice there is a William Kirby on 1911 Census, whom I think would be Elizabeth's son from a first marriage??

I am wondering if she married James in her Maiden name of Lovett, and that her first husband was named Kirby, in fact John Kirby. I found them on an earlier Census.I also found a death for John Kirby.
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This has followed on from my first problem with Thomas Hickman born c.1884 and who married Mary Ann Evelyn Fletcher.

I have the Birth certificate for Glady May Hickman born 1920, who was his daughter, which proved that Mary Ann Evelyn Fletcher was indeed her mother.
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I have found a marriage certificate for the said Thomas Hickman married to Mary Ann Evelyn Fletcher Sept 9th 1911, and on it his father is James Hickman.

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So, where is the James Hickman I want in 1891??
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I have told you everything I can about what I have etc, hopefully to give you an insight to the Family Tree.

Thanking you in a LOT of anticipation:)
I remain
Very Respectfully
Gillianr





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Re: Hickman Family - again
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 23 March 14 13:48 GMT (UK) »
Could this be him..Indexed as HICHMAN

1891 cens. St Martins Birmingham RG12/2383   folio74  page3

James     widower  43  iron plate wkr   Wolverhampton
James                   16                         ...................
Henry                   15                          .................
Mary                     13                         ..................
Thomas                 6                           Bilston

Jackie
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
Hodgetts




Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

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Re: Hickman Family - again
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 23 March 14 14:07 GMT (UK) »
Jackie

Thank you, I will check it out and get back to you either way.
Regards
Gillianr

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Re: Hickman Family - again
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 23 March 14 14:20 GMT (UK) »
Hello Vickie

Yes, thats the one, many thanks:)

Gosh, you were quick.

Thank you again.

Regards
Gillianr:)


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Re: Hickman Family - again
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 23 March 14 14:24 GMT (UK) »
 Think this may  be  Elizabeths first  marriage  to John Kirby

Elizabeth Foster

Date of Registration:
Jul-Aug-Sep 1883

Registration district:
Aston

Inferred County:
Warwickshire

Volume Number:
6d

Page Number:
495

Records on Page:


Name

 Elizabeth Foster 
 John Kirby 
 Alfred Joseph Robinson 
 Sarah Warburton 
 

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Re: Hickman Family - again
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 23 March 14 14:43 GMT (UK) »
Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937
about Elizabeth Forter
Elizabeth Forter

Gender:
Female

Birth Year:
abt 1862

Marriage Date:
6 Aug 1883

Marriage Age:
21

Marriage Place:
Sparkbrook, Christ Church, Warwickshire, England

Spouse:
John Kirby

Spouse Gender:
Male

Spouse Marriage Age:
21

Father:
Amos Forter

Spouse's Father:
Joseph Kirby



  The   original  image  of the  marriage   says Foster as surname  ,  and  one of the witnesses  is a Rebecca Kirby   in 1891   census
  Class: RG12; Piece: 2383; Folio: 73; Page: 2; Rebecca is down as mother to  a John Kirby ,     head , with wife Elizabeth ,  and  children  , one being  a Minnie

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Re: Hickman Family - again
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 23 March 14 17:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jan57

I don't suppose you could find the marriage of James Hickman and Elizabeth Foster/Kirby.
He would have married her between 1891 and 1901, and according to the 1911 they were married for 12 years, which makes it about 1899 when they married.
I can;t seem to find anything for them.

Many thanks
Gillianr

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Re: Hickman Family - again
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23 March 14 17:55 GMT (UK) »
Gill
        I can't find a birth reg for Ernest Hickman 1899/1900  (Birm)

but...

Ernest Kirby June qtr 1900   

Ernest James Kirby March qtr 1899

Jackie
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
Hodgetts




Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

Census Information is Crown Copyright from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Hickman Family - again
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 23 March 14 18:38 GMT (UK) »
Jackie

Thanks for that, but have to admit, have not yet checked for Ernest Hickman.

I have just realized I can't find the marriage for James Hickman to his first wife Ann. either.
Mary Ann Cook Walsall in 1867 or Ann Maria W Ross  Walsall in 1867.
Those are the only two.

Don't know if you could find anything else.

Regards
Gillianr