Last chance - My Brick Wall

[Jebber]

 According to the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
the Michael RILEY born in Sheffield was  the son of a Michael RILEY and Mary BRADY.
Born 15 Jun 1840
Bap. 21 Jun 1840
Norfolk Row Catholic, Sheffield.
 
Jebber

[LizzieW]

Hello,Have you considered commissioning a professional Genealogist to help you out? For short term or one off searches it might be just the thing. Make sure he /she is a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists. WWW.apgi.ie

A professional genealogist would be expensive and most people find that Rootschatters are as effective and cost nothing - apart from time on the part of Rootschatters.

[g eli]

The 1861 census has Bernard and Mary born Galloway Ireland

[heywood]

Looks as tho' Bernard will forever remain an enigma  have trawled through so many files and have come up with zilch  Thank you everyone for your help...back to the drawing board
Regards Patvp

1861 has him born Galway. Other censuses just show Ireland.
Have you got any child's birth certificate to show Mary's maiden name? You say you have all BMDs for the children but refer to her as Mary?
This may help although the dates you are after are very early for Irish records and Riley is not uncommon.
This is just an example.
http://www.genealogy.nationalarchives.ie.  the Tithe Applotment books show Bowen in Donaghpatrick Parish. In the same parish, the name Ryly occurs.
This may have no significance at all but if you haven't looked at the children's birth records, I can't see how you can make any progress.

Regards
Heywood

[heywood]

The 1861 census has Bernard and Mary born Galloway Ireland

I have interpreted this as Galway for the time being - and my post took so long to compose that I missed yours - sorry!

http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/galway.php. Shows Reily and Bowen names as Flax growers

[Rena]

Let's get some facts on the table!

1851 census: Class: HO107; Piece: 2332; Folio: 735; Page: 15
Ardsley, Yorkshire

Riley, Bernard  Head  M  60  Weaver of Linen Cloth  b Ireland
Riley, Mary  Wife  F  52  Ireland
Riley, James  Son  M  23  Weaver of Linen Cloth  b Worsbrough, Yorkshire
Riley, Michael  Son  M  12  b Barnsley, Yorkshire
Riley, Margaret  Daughter  F  17  Weaver of Linen Cloth  b Barnsley
Walton, Sarah  Granddaughter  F  6  Scholar  b Barnsley
Eaton, John  Lodger  M  45  Weaver of Linen Cloth  b York

I think Worsbrough could be a clue to the origins of your ancestors on two accounts.  As your family are from Ireland I suspect they could have been catholics and there was a Catholic church in Worsbrough and also in Barnsley where they removed to.  I'm not a catholic but I thought their old Latin records made a note of parents and proposers of brides and grooms.

If you look at the large landowner in that district it was the Wentworth family = The Earl Fitzwilliam succeeded to the Wentworth estates in England and Ireland.

It was quite usual for landowners who wanted to set up a new business to ask their agents to move skilled workers from one place to another.   Most large estates keep records and with a bit of luck the Wentworth archivist might have a record of where the skilled Irish flax workers originally lived. 

[Ruskie]

Hello,Have you considered commissioning a professional Genealogist to help you out? For short term or one off searches it might be just the thing. Make sure he /she is a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists. WWW.apgi.ie

You are not a professional genealologist by any chance are you Markova21? 

Agree with Lizzie that rootschatters do just as good a job as the pros at no cost. I also know of several instances of profesional genealogists even requesting help here on rootschat.

Pat - do you have any of the children's birth certificates?

[kanskar]

Freebmd has:

Michael Rielly - Ecclesfield 22-157  Sep 1839 Qtr

Barnsley was in Ecclesfield Reg Dist at the time

[heywood]

Is any of this  any help to you patvp?  It would be good to hear your views. You seem to have been back on Rootschat so hopefully have seen our efforts.