Last chance - My Brick Wall

[patvp1]

Have posted before on this subject but am hoping by doing a general search on the Common Room I may have a little more success.

Bernard Rily/Reilly/O'Riley etc etc was born (according to 41/51/61 census) in Ireland in 1791 (or between 1791 & 1796) He died 27 May 1868 Ardsley West Yorkshire Apt qtr Vol9C Page 92.  His wife Mary ? also born Ireland between 1798 & 1801 died Oct qtr Vol 9C Page 32 buried at Ardsley.

Their children were - Caroline 1826, Ellen 1826, James 1829, Mary Ann 1832, Margaret 1835, John 1837, Michael 1839.  I do have all BMD's for the children 

I have tried every which way to find a birth for him, anf wondered if a copy of the death cert would give me his parents names, although I very much doubt it) Various other trees on Ancestry have him born in Limerick/Meath and various other places in Ireland, they also have his wife down as Mary Bowen ?? but, as usual, nothing to back this theory up  I am half way through checking all Irish birth records (of which there are about 8000, and so far no luck) but will continue 

This, of course, may be a lost cause, but am at my wits end....by the way his profession was Flac Weaver.

Can anyone help with this quandary.   Thanks so much

Regards Patvp

[Lady Di]

First thing that comes to mind is that if young Michael was born (1839) UK, then doesn't his birth cert show his mother's maiden name?

Where was the family in the 1841 & 1851census?

When did Mary, Henry's wife, die?

Do you know when they left Ireland and came to UK?

Sorry - too many questions and no answers 

[Ruskie]

Death certificates will not show parent's names I'm afraid.

Following up Di's suggestion - looking at places of birth of their children should give you an indication when the family came to England if some of the children were born in Ireland and some in England?

On the censuses do they just say place of birth is "Ireland" with no place or county names? Often a bit of a hint about place of birth is given in English censuses after 1841.

[KGarrad]

Let's get some facts on the table!

1851 census: Class: HO107; Piece: 2332; Folio: 735; Page: 15
Ardsley, Yorkshire

Riley, Bernard  Head  M  60  Weaver of Linen Cloth  b Ireland
Riley, Mary  Wife  F  52  Ireland
Riley, James  Son  M  23  Weaver of Linen Cloth  b Worsbrough, Yorkshire
Riley, Michael  Son  M  12  b Barnsley, Yorkshire
Riley, Margaret  Daughter  F  17  Weaver of Linen Cloth  b Barnsley
Walton, Sarah  Granddaughter  F  6  Scholar  b Barnsley
Eaton, John  Lodger  M  45  Weaver of Linen Cloth  b York

[KGarrad]

And, 1841 census:
Class: HO107; Piece: 1325; Book: 5; Folio: 4; Page: 1
Dawson Walk, Barnsley, Yorkshire

Riley, Bernard  M  45  Weaver  Ireland
Riley, Mary  F  40  Ireland
Riley, Mary  F  10
Riley, Catherine  F  15
Riley, Ellen  F  15
Riley, James  M  15
Riley, Margaret  f  6
Riley, John  M  4
Riley, Michael  M  2       All children born in county


And, don't forget that, on the 1841 census, adult ages were (usually) rounded down to a multiple of 5 years.
So, Catherine, Ellen and James were all aged between 15 and 19!

[carol8353]

Going back to your original posting,this is what you'll find on an English or Welsh death cert.

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/deaths.htm

[patvp1]

Looks as tho' Bernard will forever remain an enigma  have trawled through so many files and have come up with zilch  Thank you everyone for your help...back to the drawing board
Regards Patvp

[markova21]

Hello,Have you considered commissioning a professional Genealogist to help you out? For short term or one off searches it might be just the thing. Make sure he /she is a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists. WWW.apgi.ie

[groom]

The only birth of a Michael Riley I can see is this one. If that is the right one it would give mother's maiden name.

RILEY, Michael
Sheffield  Yorkshire
1840   Apr-May-Jun
Volume  22  Page  625

Added: Sorry, not him as according to FamilySearch his parents were Michael Riley and Mary Brady