Elizabeth TUCKER - Alfred SMITH b1834

[Leeroy_2]

Which family are you descended from please?   

From the three marriage certificates...can you name the witnesses please?

I modified the earlier post to add the witnesses, but I'll post it again here,
 
1) Elizabeth Tucker - 26/9/1857 - St. James Church, Sydney
WITNESSES: John Sinclair, Mary Bolt

2) Sarah Ann Paley (Nee COKER) - 1/4/1872 - Bridget Terrace - 2 Devonshire Street, Sydney
WITNESSES: Richard Green, Henreitta Green (Sarah Paley's mother is Sarah Hopper she came from Yorkshire where she married Edward Coker in 1836. The Bans for their marriage were read at A St Dunstans Church East London earlier that year. Sarah Hopper arrived in Australia she married a Charles Green. He came out to Australia as a widower in 1859 on the Nimroud with his children. Thse two children are the witnesses).

3) Charlotte Bowers - 1/8/1888 - 333 Bourke Street, Sydney
WITNESSES: Robert White, Jane Dixon

I decended from the Charlotte Bowers line being the youngest, Albert Francis Smith b.1889.

[rosball]

SMH 17 Aug 1964

SQUIRES Alice Mary -- August 15 1964 at private hospital, late of Ashbury, dearly loved wife of the late James Squires and loved mother of Alice (Mrs Perkes 58 Garfield Street fivedock) Phillip (deceased) and Hilda, fond mother-in-law of Gladys loved grandmother and great-grandmother of their families, loved sister of Emily. Clara and Percy, in her 91st year.

regards,
  Ros

[Leeroy_2]

SMH 17 Aug 1964

SQUIRES Alice Mary -- August 15 1964 at private hospital, late of Ashbury, dearly loved wife of the late James Squires and loved mother of Alice (Mrs Perkes 58 Garfield Street fivedock) Phillip (deceased) and Hilda, fond mother-in-law of Gladys loved grandmother and great-grandmother of their families, loved sister of Emily. Clara and Percy, in her 91st year.

regards,
  Ros

Thanks Ros

[Leeroy_2]

From funeral notice Charlotte SMITH 1914 and family names - no mention of Alfred...dead at 1914?...Charlotte buried Waverley Cemetery which might be burial site for Alfred

BDM NSW marriage
385 / 1894 SQUIRES James m. BYRNE Alice M           Sydney
10282 / 1906 DENNISS Alfred m. BYRNE Emily L       Leichhardt           

                               (who is the BYRNE??)

1349 / 1903 TALL Joseph A A   m.   SMITH Clara        Leichhardt

death
9449 / 1976  TALL Clara   parents Alfred / Charlotte
32693 / 1964 SQUIRES Alice Mary  parents  Edward / Charlotte     Burwood
18878 / 1979 DENNISS Emily Louisa  parents Edward / Charlotte

Bit confused by your message. I might have missed something. But I'll explain the Byrne angle.

Prior to Charlotte marrying Alfred Smith in 1888. She had two children with Edward Byrne, Alice Mary Byrne b.1873 (I have this birth certificate) and Emily Louise Byrne b.1876 (I don't have this birth certificate). In the birth certificate for Alice it states 'illegitimate' for Father. It appears Charlotte and Edward never married.

According to BDM from a search (Again I don't have death certificates their father is listed as Edward Byrne).

I know this is the same Charlotte Smith Nee Bowers because in her newspaper funeral notice both the Byrnes (By then both married with different surnames) are invited as well as the other children from Charlotte's marriage with Alfred Smith including my relative, Albert Francis Smith.

[rosball]

(You must have fantastic longevity genes Leeroy_2)

SMH 28 April 1976

TALL Clara -- On April 27, 1976 of Hawkesbury Road, Westmead, beloved wife of Joseph Alfred (deceased) loved mother of Joseph, Florence (deceased), Clara, Leslie, Ruby, Mavis (deceased), Maria and Billy, fond mother-in-law, grandmother and great grandmother of their families.  Aged 92 years.  At rest

regards,
  Ros

[Leeroy_2]

Imay have missed a reply to Wivenhoes question.... But does the dc list all three wives and the offspring?  It may be important due to popularity of his surname. 

Thanks Ros ...Yes I used my tips on one or two ....seven actually ...of my own NSW based SMITH ancestors......

Cheers JM

Thanks JM, I do like going through this, gets me thinking and helps discover otherwise missed angles. Firstly, I've attached the Newspaper article from, The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW 1842 - 1954), Tuesday 9 January 1872, page 8 for Elizabeth Smith Nee Tucker. Can anyone make sense of the meaning of the second notice for her funeral ? It's written in some code or something that makes no sense to me ?

1ST WIFE - Elizabeth Tucker
3 MALES, 1 FEMALE LIVING (1 ONE MALE DECEASED). [I HAVE 5 CHILDREN BUT ONE MALE WAS A STILLBIRTH]
WITNESSES TO THE BURIAL: George Shying, William Slaford

2ND WIFE - Sarah Ann Paley Nee Coker
1 MALE - SYDNEY SMITH (AGE) 4, (1 FEMALE DECEASED) [I HAVE 3 CHILDREN]
WITNESSES TO THE BURIAL: James B Black, James Gleeson

3RD WIFE - Charlotte Bowers
CLARA 30, PERCY 27, ALBERT 25 (1 MALE DECEASED) [I HAVE 4 CHILDREN '4TH IS ARTHUR MAYNARD SMITH'].
WITNESSES TO THE BURIAL: James Squires, A Mcelhone

[rosball]

I think GUO of OF is Grand United Order of Odd Fellows ...?

cheers,
   Ros

[Leeroy_2]

I think GUO of OF is Grand United Order of Odd Fellows ...?

cheers,
   Ros

I just wrote to them, enquiries@guoofs.com requesting if there they hold any records that might assist me. I would be surprised if I find anything.

[rosball]

Can you see any relevant probate records on http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/ResultList.aspx
as I occasionally visit there to photograph probate records (etc) for rootschatters.  If you are lucky the probate records may contain death certs, marriage certs etc as well as a will and assets.  They can be very useful sometimes (and not at other times )

Shout if you can see something relevant 

cheers,
  Ros