Fred Martin & Albert Martin Brothers

[Lucy2]

Hi Lorri

Yes, I sort of got the feeling earlier on in this thread, that Georgiana (Georgina) and Frederick probably had no grandchildren, and I think now that that has been confirmed in Georgina's death notice.   Rather sad.      [I do feel sure that they would have been mentioned in the notice had there been any.     Also, as deceased son Cyril had been named, I think had there been another child of the couple, then that too would probably have been noted ? ]

As to the photo (photos) you have, (and a real shame that they're not labelled in anyway  ), it's possible that the fourth child (or the other girl) is a neighbour or playmate of the MARTIN siblings ??

Have more to add here for Frederick ... see following posts. 

  ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Hi again Lorri

Yes, it would appear that Georgiana and Frederick parted company, but exact date is a little difficult to determine.    My guess is around 1914 ... he's still on the electoral roll at Blenheim then, and although I've checked to see if his name was removed from that roll (before the election date), unfortunately the scanned copy of the roll is v. poor quality and I can't decipher the numbers of persons removed.       [Could not find him on a 1919 roll ].

He next appears in 1922 at Timaru > as Frederick William MARTIN, labourer ... and in 1925 is listed (at Timaru) as Frederick William Thomas MARTIN, labourer.

[Georgiana and daughter Vera are still listed as living in Blenheim in 1922 and 1925. ]

                                                                   Continuing next   >

[Lucy2]

Why I thought about 1914 was a possibility for Georgiana and Frederick parting company, was due to the following notice.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

"Marlborough Express" - 27 June 1914
[To help with finding this - use the "more search options" link at PapersPast, put in date of newspaper and use "Martin" as search term.   2 results returned ]

... The management of the business of F.W. MARTIN and CO., general carriers, has been taken over by Mr. E. M. GIBSON ...

Then view the second result > same newspaper and date (page 5 / column 6) to bring up the notice of change of management which contains statements from both Frederick MARTIN and E.M. GIBSON.



   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Cyril MARTIN's death - 1918 :

"Marlborough Express" - 21 May 1918 - Personal Notes

... Advice was received yesterday by his mother, that Pvt. Cyril MARTIN, the eldest s/o Mr. Fred MARTIN ...
(Cyril) ... was employed by firm MARTIN and CO., carriers.
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Well, my guess at 1914 might be astray for Georgiana and Frederick's separation     But above notes his mother received the advice [as she would as she was listed on his army attestation form as next-of-kin] ... but it doesn't state whether Fred. MARTIN was still residing in Blenheim.
[I'm guessing Cyril was probably employed by his uncle E.M. (Eadly) GIBSON ?? ]

[Lucy2]

Are there passenger lists for arrivals into New Zealand?

Karen

Sorry Karen ... missed answering your question (way back in thread). 

In short, the bulk of New Zealand Immigration records (passenger lists) are for persons arriving (under sponsorship of NZ provincial governments) from the UK and Ireland.   Very few lists to be had for those arriving direct from other places (USA / Canada incl. ).        Sometimes we get lucky if emigrants went via Australia before coming on to NZ ... and occasionally, if precise dates are known, we can often find people in the shipping lists published in local newspapers.   [Haven't unfortunately spotted anything for these MARTIN brothers. ]

     ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Adding ... we know from the newspaper notice (27 June 1914) > change of management of F.W. MARTIN and Co., > that Frederick MARTIN had been in business in Blenheim for 26 years (from c. 1888).

[Obviously the information published in the newspaper article 1920 (asking Fred and Albert to contact Thomas MARTIN in London) was a little curious in suggesting the boys left England about 28 years ago (c. 1892)   ]

   ~  Lu

[Lorri Stute]

Yes I would say a bit curious will have to look into that, Thank you again Lu for all your help, I will not be able to post pictures they only allow 500 kb  and these are a lot larger than that, I have no Idea how to shrink them , the only thing I can do is add them to my ancestory tree under Fred and see if anyone recognizes them. I am in contact with Thomas brother's line maybe they can shed some light on some of the brothers info that we have found. also I think Albert might have died here in the US am researching that,   

[Lucy2]

Hi Lorri

There are a number of interesting snippets re: Frederick MARTIN which you might like to browse in the newspapers when you have time ?

ALL the following appear in the "Marlborough Express" :
[Found using search terms "F. W. MARTIN" / "F. MARTIN" / "Fred. MARTIN"  ]

- 14 October 1903 - page 3
... Mr F. MARTIN, carrier, with Mrs MARTIN, has been on a holiday trip to Sydney ...

- 5 November 1908 ---  4 February 1910  (page 4) -- (and other years also)
[Advertisements for the business of F.W. MARTIN and CO. Carriers at Blenheim. ]

- 14 August 1900 - page 4  - Assault Case
[re: GOODMAN v. Frederick MARTIN ... and counter claim by same parties. ]

- 7 February 1919 - page 1 / column 4
[For Sale:   ... Cooking apples, apply Mrs F. MARTIN, Islington.    ]

- 5 September 1888 - page 2
[Res. Magistrate's Court :  Insulting language - G. ROBINSON v. F. MARTIN ]

- 20 November 1911 - Local and General News
[A runaway  ... a pair of horses belonging to Mr Fred. MARTIN  ... ]

- 16 December 1909 - page 7 
[Marlborough Acclimatisation Society - Fishing Licence Holders :  Fred. MARTIN / C. MARTIN ]

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Hi Lorri

Good to hear you have contact with the line of Thomas MARTIN.   

And I was about to address the issue of Albert MARTIN being in New Zealand.