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Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« on: Wednesday 26 February 14 19:53 GMT (UK) »
I have recently come across two events in two generations of the same family, each of which seems to have happened twice.

One was for a child who appears to have been baptised twice: once in Salisbury, Wiltshire in 1813 and again a year later in Redbourn, Hertfordshire.  I thought maybe the parents were re-using the name but the information the girl gives on the census returns is consistant with the first baptism entry.  I haven't found anyone in the census returns whose details match the second baptism details.

The second was a marriage: conducted by licence in Islington and recorded on one day, it also comes up as a marriage recorded in a Parish Register in Daventry a day later!  The combination of names make it very unlikely that this is another couple.

The family has work and family ties to all the locations.

Has anyone else found events being repeated like this, perhaps for the sake of far-flung family?

Rachel
Stevens (Devizes, Calne, Wootton Bassett): Hunt (Milford/Lymington, Calne): Moore/Rudland (Ipswich): Whitlock (Pitton & Farley): Hayter (Whiteparish)

O'Reilly (Sheffield, Flint, L'pool, Co. Longford): Foxton (Sheffield, Northallerton, Thirsk): Spragg (St. Teath, Delabole, Pengelly): Stabb (Berry Pomeroy)

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Re: Same Event, Registration in Two Locations
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 26 February 14 21:48 GMT (UK) »
The second was a marriage: conducted by licence in Islington and registered on one day, it also comes up as a marriage registered in Daventry a day later!  The combination of names make it very unlikely that this is another couple.
Rachel

When you say 'registered' what do you mean exactly? People being baptised twice is not unusual.

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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 February 14 07:53 GMT (UK) »
Quite right, Stan, sloppy usage of "registered" on my part - hopefully now edited out.  However you have answered part of my query: previously, I hadn't come across anyone who had been baptised twice and didn't realise that was not unusual.

The duplicate records for the same couple getting married within 48 hours, 70 miles apart still intrigue me.  I have come across ancestors saving money by waiting for "high days and holidays" to get married but never before encountered a couple who would pay fees twice over, plus travel expenses! 
Stevens (Devizes, Calne, Wootton Bassett): Hunt (Milford/Lymington, Calne): Moore/Rudland (Ipswich): Whitlock (Pitton & Farley): Hayter (Whiteparish)

O'Reilly (Sheffield, Flint, L'pool, Co. Longford): Foxton (Sheffield, Northallerton, Thirsk): Spragg (St. Teath, Delabole, Pengelly): Stabb (Berry Pomeroy)

Gore (Newbury, Wigan): Hawkins (Gt Bedwyn/Hungerford): Massey/Wallis (Shalbourne): Mildenhall (Ogbourne): Smith/Lilley (Nhants): Wernham (Chieveley): Woosnam (Mont./Salop): Yaldwyn (Blackdown)

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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 27 February 14 07:59 GMT (UK) »
Where did you find these records.  I have seen some on familysearch like this where they have wrongly indexed the film/location

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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 27 February 14 08:08 GMT (UK) »
I have a case similar to this
On familysearch I have a number of siblings who are each supposedly baptised on the same day in towns many miles apart.
I emailed familysearch giving the details and someone kindly looked at the originals and confirmed the correct data.
I have also applied for copies of the entries in the register from them but as has been mentioned in another thread, these may take some time to arrive.
I must say their service is friendly and helpful and as quick as their workload permits.

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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 27 February 14 08:28 GMT (UK) »
It is possible to check on familysearch by checking the film number against the library catalogue on the LDS web site.  I had one instance where several parishes were on the same film and they just picked the wrong parish, the other had a place that they quoted did not appear on the film though the parish they were living in did.

The LDS do like to be notified of these errors and as Bev says they are very helpful.

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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 27 February 14 08:39 GMT (UK) »
Was the second marriage by licence? Common Licences can only be granted for a marriage to take place in a particular church,  so it would not be able to be used for both places.

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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 27 February 14 09:44 GMT (UK) »
I have one pair of ancestors in Scotland that lived a few miles apart before they married.
The county border ran between their respective abodes. They were married at the girls address and registered the marriage in 'her' county. They then registered the marriage again in his county. The dates of the marriage differ by one day. Her registration recorded the marriage as on the 25th and his registration recorded it as on the 26th of the same month.
I don't know if they married twice in two locals, or if they just registered the marriage in two different districts one day apart.
This was not long after the introduction of BMD registrations as compulsory. I suppose it is possible that they were unsure of what to do, or received conflicting advice. It could also be that they moved in with his parents, or went to live in his county and thought they needed to register the marriage there also.

It is the only example I have come across in my searches.

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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 February 14 10:48 GMT (UK) »
Marriages are not registered by individuals but by the church in which the ceremony was conducted.  The usual reason for this confusion is banns being recorded by transcibers as actual marriages.
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