Rachel PATERSON/ Barbara IRONSIDE

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I'd a search on scotlandspeople & found only 1 death for an Ironside with the mother's maiden name of Davidson. This was for Isabella Duff nee Ironside, sister of Barbara. She died in 1863 & the death was registered in New Pitsligo. The certificate would show her parent's names,(Rachel's grandparents). I found Barbara & her sister Rachel living in 3 Church Street, New Pitsligo in 1871. I know that this was the address of the poors lodging house. Indeed they are both down as paupers. Any existing records for poor relief are held in Aberdeen. If you are lucky & there are records for them they will contain a vast amount of information. Barbara died in 1873 & Rachel in 1872. You will be able to view their death certificates on scotlandspeople too.
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This may be of interest to you. My great great great grandmother was the Matron of the Poor Lodging Houses in New Pitsligo from February 1892 - February 1902. I managed to get a lot of information from the Tyrie Parish Minutes regarding her post & the condition of the building etc. Her duties were "attend, & wash, to infirm residents & those in sickness. Take in fuel & water to any unable to do so. Clean blankets on death occurring & put into store.To take a general interest in the welfare of the inmates."
In return she got 5/- per week wages, free house & fuel. She asked for a pay rise in a letter dated 7th August 1893. In November she got a 2/- increase backdated to August! When her replacement was appointed in 1902 her wages were 1/- less, at 6/- per week.
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[scottiegirl44]

Thanks FLST! That was very interesting. This is the first time any of my ancestors has been  involved in the poor lodgings so I am not that familiar with the details of how it works. Are the lodgings like a hospital or like little apartments. Do they work during the day, do chores? Or would  they be incapable of work for whatever reason?

I will have to buy more credits for Scotland's People. I always tend to go through them quickly. Love that site. LOL                                           

[scottiegirl44]

Loobylooayr, that is very interesting too. I wonder why the Ogston family were given that honour? Family friends? Previous employer? 

I looked at the 1841 Scotland Census for New Deer and Tyrie. There are only 2 Paterson men of an age to have children. In New Deer is Fullerton Paterson, age 60, of the Manse of Artamford and he was the  Minister(United Presb. Congr.) or George Paterson, age 45, who was a farmer in Tyrie and the address was Nethermill. Both men were married and had children. Fullerton had a servant listed on the census but George didn't. In Aberdeenshire as a whole there are more Paterson's of an age but I am not sure how far they would have travelled to work? Barbara Ironside was listed as a domestic servant. In the 1841 Census their address was Nethermuir, New Deer. I googled both men but found nothing at all and nothing untoward in their behavior.
  I am beginning to think that I am going to need to see the Kirk Sessions to figure this out. Nowhere so far have I found any reference to Rachel Paterson's birth.  I am surprised there is no birth record at all for her. Ah, the thrill of the hunt!

[loobylooayr]

Hi again,

My first thought was that the name Ogston(e) must have had a connection with either Rachel or her husband John Scott. Us Scots, were very keen on naming children after Grandparents and middle names were often family  surnames.
Then I turned up these two Ogston births both in New Deer-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYFS-JTT   - James Ogston born 1771 to a James Ogston and Isobel Ironside (There are more births on Familysearch to this couple) I wonder if this is the 65 year old farmer on the 1841 Census? People were instructed to round down their ages on this Census to the nearest 0 or 5. So a 69 year old James could have declared himself as 65.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYF3-98V - James Ogston born 1826 to James Ogston and Agnes Ironside. I wonder if this is also an illegitimate birth  There is a 15 year old James living with the Ogstons on the 1841.
So it certainly seems that the Ogstons and Ironsides of New Deer were connected.
It's also occurred to me that perhaps Rachel was not the only child Barbara Ironside had So don't be surprises if you turn up a sibling.

As for Rachel's birth going unrecorded, sadly that was fairly common. Some people know as "Dissenters" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissenter  i.e.people who had broken away from the Established Church didn't record births etc (so I believe - there are others on Rootschat with a wealth of knowledge on this subject). The Fullarton Paterson you found on the 1841 Census is not the Church of Scotland Minister (Established Church) - he is a Minister of the United Presbyterian Church. But not everyone registered the birth of their child/children with the Parish Church anyway. It was not compulsory to do so and the Church took a fee. In fact the Rev Hugh Taylor  Minister circa 1790s in New Deer actually bemoans the fact the people don't record births with his Church (especially female births) because of the cost in the Satistitical Account of the Parish of New Deer.That probably didn't change over the next few decades . It wasn't till 1855 that Statutory Registration was introduced and people had to comply.
For the Statistical Account-
  http://edina.ac.uk/statacc/
You don't need to subscribe. Just click on Browse scanned pages and then key in New Deer at Parish reports. You will then have a choice of two to read - 1790s and circa 1830s. They make interesting reading and give a sense of life in a rural community.
Phew- epic post coming to a close now!
Looby

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At the beginning of the Aberdeenshire board there is "Links to Aberdeenshire Resources". If you look through it, under workhouses, you'll find out who to contact in order to search for your ancestor's application for poor relief. I suggest you try & do that first of all. It will mention all children of Barbara. You'll also see a map showing the location of the poorslodginghouse in New Pitsligo.
There are many Ironside & Ogston families in the New Deer area. They may or may not be connected to yours. My own grandfather had Burnett as a middle name. There are no other Burnetts in my tree but on checking the census I noted his next door neighbour had that surname.So in that instance he was named after a family friend.
Illegitimate children were extremely common. They were sometimes registered under one surname & brought up using another. Children were usually looked after by older relatives while their mother went out to work.
The lodgings Barbara & Rachel lived in was not very large. I think they would've had a room to themselves. I don't think they would've been able to fend for themselves & wouldn't have been put to work. In the parish minutes it mentions improvements being made to the building, such as plumbing. The minister would come on a Sunday to preach to the inmates...
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[Annette7]

The Isabella Mutch shown with Barbara Ironside in 1851 appears to be her daughter.   Found her death 1901 and shows her parents as George Mutch, Crofter (deceased) reputed father, and Barbara Ironside (deceased).  She was the wife of Alexander Fraser.  When Barbara Ironside died 1873 Isabella Fraser, daughter, was the informant.

As you have found, illegitimate children in Scotland usually grow up with their natural fathers surname.

Barbara was getting on when she had Isabella bc.1842/43 as her parents were William Ironside and Isabella Davidson and she herself was bp.18/2/1798 New Deer - siblings were Isobel bp.30/9/1784, Rachel bp.7/5/1786, Alexander bp.9/8/1789, Jane bp.13/7/1794 all at New Deer.   

Annette

[AJScott]

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone had an information or suggestions as to where I can go from here in my search. I have been researching my SCOTT family tree and traced it back to John SCOTT who married Rachel Paterson in 1850. It is shown in Scotland's People in the King Edward Parish on June 2, 1850 and the New Deer Parish on June 13, 1850.  In the census of 1851, 1861 it shows her birthplace as New Deer. On Rachel's death cert. it shows her parents as ----PATERSON (refuted/reputed father) and Barbara IRONSIDE (domestic servant). I have gone back and searched for her birth and can find nothing. According to her death cert she would have been born in 1825 and I have widened my search from 1820-1830. There are 5 Rachel Paterson born in that time, none with the mother as a Barbara and none in Aberdeenshire. I also tried Rachel Ironside and there are none from 1820-1830.

I also have gone through freecen and freereg and familysearch. Turned up nothing. Any ideas??? Anyone else researching this line??

Hello scottiegirl44,

Do you have John SCOTT's dob/dod please? I am researching my SCOTT FT also and I was wondering if he fits onto my tree somewhere.

[scottiegirl44]

Thank you again Loobylooayr and FLST!!!!  That was a ton of interesting information. I have spent the last couple of days reading though all the information. Very fascinating. I really appreciate all your help.

Annette7 Thank you so much for the information! It is interesting about Isabella Mutch as I keepnseeing that last name in the same areas as the Scott's. It seems Barbara was a busy woman. Where did you find all the information? Scotland's People?? I definitely need to buy more credits. Thank you for sharing. Do we have any common relatives?

Anyway, you all have helped me so much!! Thank you all again.