Rachel PATERSON/ Barbara IRONSIDE

[scottiegirl44]

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone had an information or suggestions as to where I can go from here in my search. I have been researching my SCOTT family tree and traced it back to John SCOTT who married Rachel Paterson in 1850. It is shown in Scotland's People in the King Edward Parish on June 2, 1850 and the New Deer Parish on June 13, 1850.  In the census of 1851, 1861 it shows her birthplace as New Deer. On Rachel's death cert. it shows her parents as ----PATERSON (refuted/reputed father) and Barbara IRONSIDE (domestic servant). I have gone back and searched for her birth and can find nothing. According to her death cert she would have been born in 1825 and I have widened my search from 1820-1830. There are 5 Rachel Paterson born in that time, none with the mother as a Barbara and none in Aberdeenshire. I also tried Rachel Ironside and there are none from 1820-1830.

I also have gone through freecen and freereg and familysearch. Turned up nothing. Any ideas??? Anyone else researching this line??

[GR2]

As her parents were not married, it is very likely that the kirk session minutes for New Deer would mention her birth and give the father's name. There might even be additional information about the parents. The minutes can be consulted on computer in the National Archives in Edinburgh and certain other local archives in Scotland (e.g. Aberdeen).

[loobylooayr]

Hi Scottiegirl,

There is a Rachel Paterson aged 15 on the 1841 Census working as a female servant at Cairnmurning, Tyrie for a farmer James Cook.

When did Rachel die and who registered her death? Could be that Barbara is an error? Maybe the informant gave the wrong name
Looby

[scottiegirl44]

Thanks GR2. are you saying that I can look them up on the computer or do I have to go to the Archives in person? I live in Canada so it won't be feasible to visit for a few years.

Thanks loobylooayr. I got the certificate off Scotland's People. Rachel died in 1904. The other information such as her husband John Scott (crofter) pre-deceased her and her son William Scott was the informant and she did have a son named William. Before she married she was using the Paterson last name so there is a link somewhere.

[loobylooayr]

Hi again,

Had a look at John Scott and Rachel Paterson's children on Familysearch and was intrigued/ interested by the middle names of two sons - William Duff Scott born 1856 and James Ogstone Scott born 1855 and wondered if these offered clues.
Found this Census entry for 1851 - 45 Low Street, New Pitsligo ,Tyrie

William Duff        Head    M    68    General Weaver (Hand Loom)    born New Deer
Isabella Duff       Wife     M    64                                                 born New Deer
Barbara Ironside  Sislaw  U    55    Knitter Ag Lab                         born New Deer
Isabella Mutch     Cousin        8      Scholar                                   born New Deer

Could this be Rachel's mother? And has her son (3rd on Familysearch, but I realise that might not be all the births) been called after her uncle?

Looby

[loobylooayr]

Answering here your query to GR2 - unfortunately the Kirk Session minutes/reports are not available online. They can be searched on computer at various Scotlands People  Centres around Scotland.

If I can explain the records cannot be searched by keying in a persons name. They are searched by place and by years if my memory serves me right . I have only looked once at Kirk Session minutes. They are not transcribed, it's the original books which have been scanned, and some of the handwriting is a nightmare to decipher. To be honest searching them is like looking for a needle in a haystack.Information can be found - but not easily I believe.

Looby

[ev]

Hi Looby 

I wonder if this is that Barbara Ironside(1851 Census) ? -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYF9-S9C

It looks like she had a sister Rachel -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYF9-9VX


ev

[scottiegirl44]

Wow!! This got interesting fast!! ) Looby, I believe that is probably the correct Barbara Ironside as the age would be close. I always kind of wondered why Rachel's boys would have such interesting middle names that didnt seem to fit  any people I had discovered.

Ev, that could be her and would explain where she got the name Rachel, for her sister.

It seems the plot thickens. Now I have to wonder how Ogstone plays into the names. Maybe a step dad? Sounds like the kirk sessions are a nightmare but if I want to find her birth and who her father was I may have to try.

[loobylooayr]

Hi again Scottiegirl,
 
Well with ev's finds you now appear to have Barbara and a sister  Rachel - the pieces of the puzzle are beginning to join up.

I looked for Barbara on the 1841 on www.freecen.org.uk  and wondered if this could be her.

Nethermuir, New Deer

Ironside    (Widow)      F     age 80       Pauper         born Aberdeenshire
Ironside    Barbra         F     age 40    Stocking Knitter  born Aberdeenshire

Spellings are as transcribed on Freecen.
Please look her up and click on the Previous Household icon 8 times and see who her near neighbours are    Interesting.....the plot thickens

Looby