Help verifying Last Name and Occupation, possibly Ralph Hannth

[ejandrews]

Hello,
This is my first post here, so let me know if there's a better way to ask this. :-)

I have attached a snipped from 1861 census and want to need help with a last name and occupation.

Starting third line down is:
Ralph
Eliza
Kate P King

Transcribed census shows Ralph's last name as Hannth but I'm wondering if it could be something else? Also he is Secretary to .

Thanks!

Census image is from Ancestry.com. 1861 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005. Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1861. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1861.

[JenB]

Welcome to Rootschat 

Ralph is Secretary to a Glass Company.

[Milliepede]

Not sure on the last name 

I was thinking Ralph would be easy to trace on another census but not so far.  Perhaps he was obligingly at the same address in 1871?

[Rena]

I read Ralph Hassath - Secretary of Glass Company.

Ancestry has this:- 
11 Historical Documents and Family Trees with Hassath on Ancestry.co.uk
    8 Census and Voter Lists
    1 Immigration Records
    2 Birth, Marriage, and Deaths
    Member Family Trees
    Military Records


I've never heard of the name before, the only similar name would be Hesketh/Hasketh spelt incorrectly as Hascath.

[Milliepede]

The little girl was born Glos as was Eliza.  Maybe try tracing the name that way.
Could be Kate Potter King born Cheltenham Jun 1854.  Maybe Eliza was a King and could find a marriage to Ralph?

[Ladyhawk]

The little girl was born Glos as was Eliza.  Maybe try tracing the name that way.

Could be Kate Potter King born Cheltenham Jun 1854.  Maybe Eliza was a King and could find a marriage to Ralph?

I've just been looking at Kate I think her mother's surname may have been KING

KING   Kate P mmn  KING    1854 Cheltenham she marries 1892
ANDREWS   Matthew to  KING Kate Potter parish Charlton Kings district Cheltenham   
   
1891 Kate King is with her mother Mary Ann King
also two gd/ children of Mary's Harry A (Augustus) & Robert A (Alexander) mmn King

There this marriage 1849 Stroud  MATHER   Ralph    to KING    Eliza   

info. from Gloucestershire BMD http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

I think Eliza is the sister of Mary Ann King born c1829 Twyning Gloucestershire

Not sure it's the same Ralph from the 1861 census

Eliza & Ralph MATHER on the 1851 HO107; Piece: 2061; Folio: 609; Page: 20
living Dartmouth Street Warwickshire

Ralph 29 pob Glasgow occ Pin pointer
Eliza 27 Stroud Gloucester
Thomas 1 Stroud (mmn King see Gloucetershire BMD)

found her death

Eliza Mather age 45 (1822)
Burial Date: 22 Oct 1867 Burial Place: St Peter & St Paul   Aston, Warwick
Spouse:    Ralph Mather

[avm228]

There's a Ralph and Elizabeth Mather in Birmingham in 1861: RG09 piece 2146 folio 88 page 28.

I agree that Kate P King is an important clue but am not sure her mother Mary Ann's maiden name was King.  Mary Ann had with her in 1861 a son Henry, 16.  This may (or may not) be his baptism: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J3D5-SG4.

Edit: sorry, having checked 1861 again he is supposedly Mary Ann's unmarried brother, though she claims to be a widow

[Ladyhawk]

I agree that Kate P King is an important clue but am not sure her mother Mary Ann's maiden name was King.  Mary Ann had with her in 1861 a son Henry, 16.  This may (or may not) be his baptism: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J3D5-SG4.

Edit: sorry, having checked 1861 again he is supposedly Mary Ann's unmarried brother, though she claims to be a widow

from Gloucestershire BMD

KING   Henry   
father name KING   
mother name KING   
mothers former name GREEN   
1844   Cheltenham Tewkesbury

possible marriage 1837 St Mary (The Abbey) Cheltenham Tewkesbury
George KING
Mary GREEN            

[chinakay]

Have you considered East Londoners' funny penchant for putting haitches where they shouldn't be and dropping them from where they should be?

A friend of my mother's told me he was from Ackney

Just a thought. Maybe not a very good one

Cheers,
China