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Can you date this picture? James Sayner
« on: Monday 10 February 14 21:52 GMT (UK) »
I found this picture on ancestry, someone had attached it on their tree to my 4 x Great Grandfather James Sayner 1804-1853, I am not sure this is actually him. He lived in the Selby/Hambleton area and the photo appears to  have been taken in Harrogate.
Also if this does turn out to be taken before 1853,which I doubt I would like this picture restored and the writing removed if anyone is able to do so.
Much appreciated any help

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Re: Can you date this picture?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 February 14 23:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Star_boy. It won't be 1853, too early for these type of photos. The gent appears to be sporting a beard known as a Newgate Frill. I think these were more fashionable in the 1860's. Pity we can't see the back as the design might nail it. Myself I think it could be even later 1870's but I'm no expert.

Certainly isn't as early as 1853 though.
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Re: Can you date this picture?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 February 14 23:11 GMT (UK) »
George is right of course.
Rounded corners on cardstock first arrived in 1875 so that's the earliest this can be.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
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« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 February 14 23:13 GMT (UK) »
How do Jim I was just adding a bit thinking might be 1870's. Now Jim, he is an expert. He knows his onions Star_boy. ;D

PS Jim, what is the timescale for the Newgate Frill.
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 11 February 14 10:21 GMT (UK) »
The Newgate frill was popular up to the 1860's but some men clung onto it as this chap did.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 11 February 14 10:35 GMT (UK) »
Thankee kind sir ;)

Not still wearing yours are you Jim ;D
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IRELAND: Welsh Clifford Lee Allingham Keane Dale Robinson Greer McVey Bingham Skelton Carson Broomfield Clark McEwan/McKeown McCreary McLaughlan.
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 February 14 10:43 GMT (UK) »
Yes George I do but mine's on the top.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 11 February 14 10:46 GMT (UK) »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 11 February 14 13:44 GMT (UK) »
 ;D ;D ;D
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