Help....can't find James Currie's mother!

[kshaw]

Thank you Dod! I was thinking the same thing, but had figured that John and Margaret must not have had a very good household.... with her always in trouble! Plus she was living with another man in 1870 when she was sent away for 7 years!!

Yes my head is spinning a bit, I went from thinking I'd not ever be able to understand the info given on James's MC (inregards to his parents), but now thanks to everyone, in just three days......I know so much!! Still combing through everything and laying in out, seeing were things connected and what's still missing.

I'll have to get copies of the court/ criminal records for Margaret.... see what things she was stealing! From what it looks like, she was never alone when she did get caught....it's all very interesting. I'll update you all when ever I get that bit sorted. For now I'm still sorting out the last 6 pages....

regards
Katherine 

[kshaw]

OK I think I have now sorted through everything!

I have now found an Elizabeth Marrs (24) living with her mother Jane Currie (45) and Mary Currie (19) at 15 Nicholas St., Glasgow St. Paul on the 1861 Scots Census.

Oddly I found her while looking for the two siblings listed for Margaret Currie on the 1841 Scots Census.... They are the only names listed on the trans on Ancestry, but looking at what they have filled in, it couldn't have been transcribed very well.

No idea if it's the right family, mother age and birth place isn't a match, just thought that it was funny with that last names...

[kshaw]

Not a match, this Elizabeth Currie married a Hugh Mars.... on a side note Hugh Mars was a Riddle Maker (Vagrant).... never seen that one before. Any ideas what he would have done?

[Forfarian]

Hugh Mars was a Riddle Maker (Vagrant).... never seen that one before. Any ideas what he would have done?

Made riddles? As in implements used by gardeners for sieving soil to get rid of stones, roots etc. I have one in the nether regions of my garage.

A vagrant was a person of no fixed abode.

[iggie23]

I have been searching for the parents of James Neil Currie, as well as trying to find out what became of him.  He was my great grandfather.  He was born in March 1878, and he married Julia Hilley who was born Nov 20, 1877.  Julia came to Canada on the Corinthian in Sept 1903, along with her children Margaret, Mary, Julia, Ellen (Nellie), Agnes, and James.  James Neil Currie arrived in Canada a couple of months before his wife.  They settled in Toronto and had several more children: John (Jack), George, Francis, Walter, and Robina (Ruby).  There were two children who died as infants: Elizabeth and Thomas.  There was also a baby named Pearl who was killed under tragic circumstances at the age of 1 1/2.  I know that James Neil Currie served time in prison, as did his son James.  James Neil has lied numerous times in an attempt to avoid detection, at one point using the last name "Neis."  I'm also trying to find out what happened to James Neil Currie.  The last I can find of him was a record of a border crossing to the USA in 1946.  My dad said that he died there, but I can't confirm it.  Julia Hilley Currie passed away on June 8, 1947.

[Forfarian]

Have you tried www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk ? If not, you haven't really started looking properly yet 

Scotland's People (SP) is a pay-per-view site, but it is the only source of original information about births, marriages and deaths in Scotland at that time, and the only place where you can get original images of the available census records.

According to the index there, there are four births of James Neil Curries between 1855 and 2012; one of these is in 1879 (not 1878). It's quite common for people's ages to be wrong by a year or so.

James Neil Currie and Julia Hilley were married in Scotland in 1896.

Both the birth certificate and the marriage certificate should tell you the names of both of Neil's parents, including his mother's maiden surname.

You should also be able to find the 1901 census record of James and Julia and their children.

[MonicaL]

.....Like Millmoor I looked for son James on 1901 Census & came up with the same one. James N Currie 22 Stone Cutter. Julia 23. Maggie 4. Mary 3. Julia 2. Ellen 9Mo. at 282 Great Easter Rd, Camlachie Parish.
     So Back to the other Currie family aboard 'Corinthian' 19th Sept,1903.
     Mrs Currie, Howife Adult. Margt age 7. Mary 4. Julian? (Female) 4. Nellie 3. Agnes & James both 11 Months. A close enough match to be the same family do you think?
     SP have a James Neil Currie/Julia Hilley marriage 1896 at Blackfriars, Glasgow. If this James is James Currie & Margaret Sharkey's son it would tie all of these passenger lists & families together.
     I think Margaret's younger children travelled to Canada Sept,1903 aboard 'Corinthian' (Ticket Nos: 30-33) along with brother James' wife, Mrs Currie & their family. (Ticket Nos: 20-26) while Margaret, Elizabeth, John & James (Ticket Nos: 115-118) went ahead of them in May 1903 also aboard 'Corinthian'. Does that just leave daughter Margaret & son Neil at home? (Son Robert Wilson Currie birth & death 1891)
     A lot of information to take in. Hope it's the right information!!
               Regards,     Dod.
PS. James Neil Currie born 1879, Blackfriars, Glasgow.

Hi iggie23

Welcome to RootsChat 

As you can see from the snippet above from this thread, there is a little info already on your family to add hopefully to what you have. As Forfarian has mentioned anyone researching into the history of this family would need to double check the details containted on that likely 1896 marriage for James and Julia that has been mentioned.

Monica

[Millmoor]

Hi

I downloaded the marriage some time ago.

Here are the details from the marriage 10 Dec 1896 at St Vincents Chapel Duke Street Glasgow James Neil Currie mason journeyman bachelor age 17 43 Duke Street parents confirmed as James Currie mason journeyman and Margaret Currie ms Sharkey to Julia Hilley marine store worker 18 43 Duke Street parents John Hilley masons labourer and Ellen Hilley formerly Graham ms McKinley. Witnesses James Sharkey and Maggie Currie.


Hopefully the rest of the thread will help with your search

William

[ecksdochter]

Hello iggie23,
     Using information from 1901 Scotland Census the only James Neil Currie birth I found in Glasgow between 1875 & 1880 was same as Millmoor posted. James Neil Currie born 1879 at Blackfriars, Glasgow, Lanarkshire. (http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk)
     This is the 1901 Scotland Census transcription from Ancestry.co.uk.
        Margaret Cunie  Head  41  Fruit Dealer  Belvidere Avenue Cottage, Camlachie, Glasgow.
        Neil  Cunie         Son   15  Coal Dealer.
        Elizabeth Cunie  Dau   12  Scholar.
        Mary  Cunie       Dau   10  Scholar.
        John  Cunie        Son    8  Scholar.
        Robina Cunie      Dau    6  Scholar.
        William Cunie     Son     4     -
        Walter Cunie      Son     2     -
        Agnes Fraser      Other Relative 16. (Also on 1891 Census)
     All born Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
     Surname 'Cunie' is an Ancestry transcription error so if you choose to view the actual Census Return on Scotlands People, use the surname Currie. 
     There's a lot of information in these postings so good luck with sorting it all out & with your search.
               Regards,     Dod.