Help....can't find James Currie's mother!

[kshaw]

WOW! ! I went away for a night and look what you LOVELY people have found for me!!! Thank you sooooooooo much!

I also found the BC for Ezekiel Marr 29 Dec 1864 High Church, Glasgow son to Margaret Currie & John Marr who were married 2 Aug 1864 Central District, Lanark.

The BC I had been looking at (of the 3 James with no father) was - James Williamson Currie 15 May 1858 High Church, Glasgow..... I'm guessing that this must be the right one since Ezekiel was also High Church???

Also with the name being that of her father's.... I can't find any other children an other marriage for either, but I'll keep looking..... this really is the most messed up search that I've ever done, in regards to the fact that Margaret keeps changing her name, age, and place of birth all over the place! It really looks like she went back to Currie after John Marr died, so I'm thinking that her death will be under the name Currie.   

I'm going to dig into the records that you all pointed me too later tonight after my wee ones are in bed, but thought I should get back to you with a few other things that have come up in regards to James Currie & Margaret Sharkey... I don't have a place of date of death for her. They had 6 children that I've found....
James 1879 Glasgow
Margaret Taylor 1881 Blackfriars, Glasgow
Neil 1885 Glasgow
Lizzie 1889 Glasgow
Mary 1890 Glasgow
Robert W 1891 Calton, Glasgow

Of them I know that Neil, his wife (Mary Ann Kenny 1886 Glasgow) and their two children went to Canada (Port Arthur, Thunder Bay, Ontario) in 1909 and I found their passenger list. They then went on to have 5 more children there.

The James Currie that was found in Toronto was the eldest son, I believe that he was a well known Doctor. He is well know in that area for having something to do with the children's hospital there, but I'm not sure what..... my brother-in-law who I'm doing this for told me but I've forgotten at the moment.

It's possible that theft and getting into trouble runs in the family.... I found a Neil Currie aged 15 born abt. 1886 Glasgow. At The Industrial School Boys, Empress Industrial School Ship. A boy under detention (Prisoner) to: Walter Rose 33 officer, Boatswain Sender. In the 1901 Census in Gareloch, Dumbartonshire.

I've yet to find out what he did or why he was there, but it's seems that if he was in trouble that he wasn't ever again (unlike his grandmother, it seems!) as the next census has him in Canada. I also have him having been in Canada before 1909, in 1907 with brother Robert.

Thank you all again!! I'll post again later tonight after I have a better look at all the post (pages 4-8) and a better look at what you'll all found for me.

Katherine

P.S. I'm in Scotland so I should be able to get a look at the old newspapers.... I think

[MonicaL]

Hi Katherine

Great that you are in Scotland. Will make it easier for you to follow up on some of the material that is not available online. A visit to Edinburgh for example to the NRS would let you sight the actual trial papers etc for Margaret Currie. A visit to Glasgow and the Mitchell Library would let you view/search for poor relief applications for example for James and half brother Ezekiel Marr who showed at the poor house in 1871. Also young Neil may have some notes to follow up on.

With Margaret and the issue of use of surnames, remember in Scotland women never 'lost' their maiden names after marriage. This is one of the reasons you can search for deaths, for example, with both surnames or find grave inscriptions for married women with their maiden name.

Lots there to follow up on....

Monica

[Millmoor]

There is a death for a Margaret Currie in Thunder Bay 27 Oct 1915 b 1859. on family search. If there is an image on ac*y it might indicate if it is the correct Margaret. I cannot find her on the 1911 Canada census or her children who married later. She may, of course, have remarried. The marriage images for her children who married after 1911 might shed further light.

To see actual census image for Neil Currie on the 1911 Canada census he has been transcribed as Carrie. James Currie and family have been transcribed as Cunn. This is on the Canadian Archives site. You can see the images for free!

William

[kshaw]

Thank you both!

William - I thought I had the 1911 Can Census, but it turns out it was the 1921!! I'm fairly certain that she did go over to Canada with one of her children, but wasn't sure....thank you for finding that. My sister and brother-in-law's family are all (more or less) in Thunder Bay still, so it should be easy for them to find her grave with the other Currie family that past away around the same time. Or by walking through and just looking.... with out having to pay for her DC.

still looking through all the other info that you guys gave me!!! I'm so thankful.... this is just such an odd one 

[MonicaL]

There are no parents' details or husband's name for Margaret Currie's death on 27 Oct 1915. She is down as a housekeeper, widowed and born in Scotland. The informant was a A Morriss.

Margaret died from the effect of diabetes. Her place of burial shows as Port Arthur, Ontario.

Monica

[kshaw]

Ages all over the place as sometimes happens...

This might be Ezekial Snr in 1851 in Renfrewshire (fits with the ref in daughter Margaret's MC and mention of him being a boat builder):

James Higgins 53
Isabella Higgins 55
George Higgins 16
John Higgins 18
Cziekial Currie 34 Iron Shipbuilder lodger b. Ireland

Address: King Street, Post Glasgow Renfrewshire

This is from transcript so no further details such as marital status etc. Would think this is the right entry and Jane wife is elsewhere given we have them together with young James Currie by 1861 in Port Glasgow?

Oddly enough while I was looking for John CURRIE & margaret MARR, I found a MC for a John CURRIE 23 (can't make out his job) and an Elizabeth HIGGINS 20 both of Bridgeton, Glasgow (looks like) 5 July 1856.... but his father is Robert not Eziekial.

Oh I just found a 1841 Scot Census for an Margt Currie 8 (abt 1833) Ireland living in Lanark.... no other info given > from family search. UPDATE> It's HER!!! (I think ) there is a Ezekiel Currie 36 (abt 1805) Ireland and a Jane Currie 36 Ireland, on the same GS Film # at the same place.

Also.... noticed that it looks like if Margaret was done for theft in 1854 and away for 4 years.....than she came out 'with child' in 1858, if James was born in May!!! Maybe I can look for guards with the surname Williamson??? 

[Forfarian]

Oh I just found a 1841 Scot Census for an Margt Currie 8 (abt 1833) Ireland living in Lanark.... no other info given > from family search. UPDATE> It's HER!!! (I think ) there is a Ezekiel Currie 36 (abt 1805) Ireland and a Jane Currie 36 Ireland, on the same GS Film # at the same place.

According to FreeCEN the household to 90 High Street, Glasgow College (ED2, Page 10) comprises James, 40, small pawn broker; Mary, 47; Marget, 8; Mary Ann, 1; Bridget McGlashan, 15. All except Mary Ann born in Ireland.

Ezekiel is not in the same place. He is in a household at 93 High Street, Glasgow (ED6, Page 25) with Jane, 36; Margt, 14, piecer in cotton mill; James, 12, boilermaker apprentice; Elizabeth, 5. Ezekiel and Jane born in Ireland, the others in Lanarkshire.

You'd need to study the enumeration district (ED) boundaries to be 100% certain that it is the same High Street - they are in different EDs. However it's certainly not the same household, or even the same tenement.

[kshaw]

hmmm.... darn....

I think I've run into this Margaret Currie before

Ezekiel is not in the same place. He is in a household at 93 High Street, Glasgow (ED6, Page 25) with Jane, 36; Margt, 14, piecer in cotton mill; James, 12, boilermaker apprentice; Elizabeth, 5. Ezekiel and Jane born in Ireland, the others in Lanarkshire.

I remember seeing 'piecer in cotton mill' attached to the Currie family... Thank you for looking at that for me. I think I'm going to have to sub again soon, cause I don't think I'm able to get enough using just the FS and guessing on SP (wasting money)!

[ecksdochter]

Hello kshaw & co,
     Couldn't believe any father would leave their son in the poor house, even if not with the mother, so decided to do a bit of ferreting around. Checked Glasgow deaths between 1864 marriage & 1871 Census. This one was the right age for John & Bingo! John Marr (Mason) age 39  died 5th May,1870 at Partick, Lanarkshire. Son of John Marr (Mason) & Jane Marr ms Burns. John is married but wife's name not given. Parent's names match MC so I'm sure this is the right John Marr.
     I hope that helps tidy a little area of your tree. Your head is probably spinning with all this info.
               Regards,     Dod.