Help....can't find James Currie's mother!

[jennywren001]

Hi William,
this was the wee boy Monica provided the link to way back in this rather complicated post..can I just recap this bit of the conundrum...as I'm getting well confused
James Currie gets married in 1878 age 18 and gives his parents as John Currie (deceased) and Margaret Marr
There appears to be no evidence of a John Currie/Margaret Marr connection/link.
There are multiple James Curries' born in and around Glasgow around the 1860s - three showing with Margaret Currie - mother -no father (LDS)
A Margaret Currie marries a John Marr in 1864
An Ezekial Marr is born in Dec of 1864 to a couple with names as above.
1881 an Ezekial Currie (correct age) and a Margaret Currie age 50 - together (no John)
1881 John Marr (mason) and his 2nd wife Margaret age 35 (wonder when/ if they wed) red herring?
1871 or 61? A James Currie with his Grandfather Ezekial Currie age 55 (hope it's 61 as ten years later his potential daughter is showing as 50  .
My head is truly nippin...
Jen

[MonicaL]

In the 1881 census there is an Ezekial Currie aged 15 living with Margaret Currie age 50 b Ireland living in Glasgow as boarders . She is a general dealer.

Think you might be a hero here William....see where you are going with this and also:

There is a James Currie b Glasgow in Port Glasgow listed as a boarder grandson. Head of household is JohnSand 60. Also in the household are Mary Sand, his wife. Ezekial Currie 55, an iron ship plater b Glasgow and his wife Janet 50 b Glasgow.

What year is this for? 1861 or 1871? Will go and have a look.

A point to remember (thinking of Scottish naming pattern and the way people in Scotland went about naming and illegitimate births etc) is that the 1858 birth that has been found for a James with a mother Margaret Currie also includes the name middle name of Williamson  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VQQZ-3HX Maybe James Williamson was the name of the reputed father. Common to name son after a reputed father following an illegitimate birth.

Maybe...if Margaret Currie then then went on to marry (we think John Marr in 1864) she could well have named her son after her father...which then may well fit with what you are finding William...

Monica

[Millmoor]

Sorry I omitted to say that the record of Ezekial Currie with James Currie was in the 1861 census in Port Glasgow. I wondered if this was the census record of the James Currie we have been looking for. In this census Ezekials birth was said to be in Glasgow but the two other probable/ possible census entries I have for him give his place of birth as Ireland.

My curiosity has got the better of me! I have downloaded the marriage of John Marr and Margaret Currie.

The details are as follows John Marr mason bachelor 33 mason bachelor parents John Marr mason deceased and Janet Marr ms Burns deceased. Margaret Currie 28 millworker spinster parents Ezekial Currie boat builder and Jane Currie ms looks like Keerns . Address of both 48 High Street Glasgow. Witnesses Rob McGowan and David Richmond. Marriage 2 Aug 1864 at 6 Grafton Place.

Now need to try to work out what this all means!

William

[carolineasb]

Apologies, a bit late but I've just sent a PM to Kshaw with the DC of James Currie and the MC of his Mother and John Marr transcribed as I was unsure about copyright issues

[Millmoor]

Just to add that if Margaret Currie was indeed born in Ireland there is in the 1861 census a Margaret Currie of about the correct age b 1835 listed as a prisoner in North Prison, Glasgow! Possible explanation as to why James Currie was with grandparents?

William

[MonicaL]

I think you are spot on there with your trail William 

[Millmoor]

A possibility in 1851 for Margaret Currie has a Margaret Curry b Ireland  1834  a lodger in Glasgow and working as a flax spinner.

How this all ties in with the John Marr/ Margaret Marr 1881 census I have yet to get my head round!

William

[MonicaL]

Jumping back to 1841 from all your info, William:

Ezekiel Currie 36 Boilermaker Journeyman b. Ireland
Jane Currie 36 b Ireland
Margt Currie 14 Piecer In Cotton Mill b. lanarkshire
James Currie 12 b. lanarkshire
Elizabeth Currie 5 b. lanarkshire

Address: 93 High Street, Glasgow

Birth year here for Margaret would be circa 1827? This is from FreeCen. A/try have the family as Curra.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Ages all over the place as sometimes happens...

This might be Ezekial Snr in 1851 in Renfrewshire (fits with the ref in daughter Margaret's MC and mention of him being a boat builder):

James Higgins 53
Isabella Higgins 55
George Higgins 16
John Higgins 18
Cziekial Currie 34 Iron Shipbuilder lodger b. Ireland

Address: King Street, Post Glasgow Renfrewshire

This is from transcript so no further details such as marital status etc. Would think this is the right entry and Jane wife is elsewhere given we have them together with young James Currie by 1861 in Port Glasgow?