1851 London Lookup - Jane Diana SLEAP/BROWN

[Eric L]

Gaye,

Just joined Rootschat and just picked up your (long ago) plea for info re the above. Did you ever manage to get the details which you were after? If not, I can help on the 1851 census and perhaps you can help me if you know what happened to them after 1861?

Eric.

[Gaye]

Hi Eric

Gosh that one takes me back a bit!
I see I actually erred on the name too it was
Jane Diana and Thomas Brown I was looking for
in 1851 Census - but no didn't find them in 1851.

There is this entry in 1861
which seems to be Thomas Brown and Jane's son
at 41 Fore Street Stepney
RG09 288/55 Page 7
LAMPRELL, James  Head Married  M 47
Beer Caling House Keeper Great Wratting Suffolk
LAMPRELL, Jane  Wife Married  F 48  Gravesend Kent
LAMPRELL, Jane  Daughter Unmarried  F 12  Poplar

BROWN, Thomas  BOARDER Unmarried(?)  M 60 ...
Sweden or Swindon??
SLEAP, Daniel  Stepson Unmarried  M 22 Carpenter
 Poplar
CLEAR, Anne  Servant Unmarried  F 15 General Servant
 Poplar 

[Gaye]

Eric

Sorry should have added:

Jane Diana Thomas died at 4 Laura St Mile End aged 61 years
1870
BMD Mar 1870 Mile End 1c 427
Death Cert #DYA683727
Jane Diana BROWN, aged 61 years,
widow of Thomas Brown, seaman Merchant service,
cause of death: phithisis, exhaustion certified
Informant: S Word, present at the death, of 9 Mill Place Poplar
Registered : 8 Feb 1870


Does this help you?

Rgds
GAYE

[Eric L]

Hi Gaye,

Thanks for the info which has clarified one or two things for me. Now back to your original query and a bit of background info which you may or may not already have.

1851 Census

95 Broad Street, St Dunstan Stepney, Tower Hamlets, London

HO107  Piece 1551  Folio 368  Page 17

There are two families both living at this address in 1851:-

Family 1.
Jane Brown  Wife  41                                                    b Gravesend, Kent
Jane Brown  Daur   2   Scholar (so it says!!!)                b Poplar, Middlesex
John Sleap   Son   14   Tin Plate Worker's App(rentice) b Poplar, Middlesex
Daniel Sleap Son  12   Scholar                                       b Poplar, Middlesex

Family 2.
James Lamprill  Head  38 Eating House Keeper  b (Great W)ratting, Suffolk
Caroline Lamprill Daur 18                                    b(Great W)ratting, Suffolk
Henry Potts  Visitor  38       Coal Whipper              b Barking, Essex


1861 Census

Is broadly as you have shown it with a couple of minor amendments.

41 Fore Street, St Anne, Limehouse, Tower Hamlets, London.

RG09   Piece  288  Folio  55  Page  7


James Lamprell   Head  Marr   47   Beer and Eating House Keeper  b Great Wratting, Suffolk
Jane Lamprell  Wife  Marr  48   b Gravesend, Kent
Jane Lamprell  Daur   Unm  12  b Poplar, Middlesex
Daniel Sleap  Stepson  Unm  22  Carpenter  b Poplar, Middlesex
Thomas Brown  Boarder  Widr  60   Labourer - - - -(?)  Smith  b Sweden ()
Anne Clear  Servant  Marr  18  General Servant  b Poplar, Middlesex


... more to follow ....

[Eric L]

... cont ....

James LAMPRELL (bap 1813 - ?) was the son of Richard LAMPRELL (bap 1775 - 1846) and Mary PURKIS (c 1776 - 1842). He married Martha COWLING at Barnardiston, Suffolk on the 2nd July 1833 and had two children - Caroline ( bap 1833 at Great Wratting) and William (bap 1835 at Romford, Essex). Caroline married to Charles WILKINSON at St Giles, Cripplegate, London in 1853 but, sadly, William died just 2 years old in Sept 1837 at East Ham.

I have not traced any record of James marrying to Jane Diana BROWN and my current thoughts are that they did not actually marry. I have also been unable to locate an entry for James' death in the GRO BMDs.

On checking the LONDON DOCKLANDS parish records (which are not complete, I should add), I came across the following baptisms relating to Daniel and Jane SLEAP:-

08 July 1829  All Saints, Poplar   Elizabeth Sarah SLEAP (born  18 June 1829) dau of Daniel and Jane. Father's Occ Bricklayer.

09 Nov 1834  All Saints, Poplar  Thomas William SLEAP (born 12 Dec 1833)  son of Daniel and Jane Diana.  Father's Occ  Bricklayer.

17 Jan 1836  All Saints, Poplar  John Jeffrey SLEAP  (b 27 Sep 1835)  son of Daniel and Jane Diana. Father's Occ  Bricklayer.

12 July 1846  St Anne, Limehouse, Poplar  Daniel Parker SLEAP (b 03 Oct 1838) son of Daniel and Jane Diana. Father's Occ  Bricklayer.


..... more to follow ...

[Eric L]

... cont  ...

As you say, Daniel SLEAP died in 1842 and I assume that the following reference in the GRO registers is to his death:-

July-Sept Qtr 1842      Daniel  SLEAP  Poplar    Vol  2   Page  237

If you do not already have a copy of his death certificate it may be worthwhile considering getting one as it may provide useful additional information to help in your research.

I then googled for "Daniel Sleap" and came across an entry for the family on the   www.geni.com   website. (I have, of course, no means of confirming the details which appear for this entry on the site).

The details shown were as follows:-

"Daniel SLEAP  (1806-1842) was the son of Samuel SLEAP ( c1770- ?) and Mary PARKER ( c1775- ?).
He married Jane JEFFREY and had a daughter Elizabeth SLEAP (1829-1865) who married Joseph DRAKE (1832-1881)".

Finally, one other snippet of information. Daniel SLEAP (jnr) was a witness to a fatal accident in London in 1849 which resulted in a prosecution being brought at the Old Bailey Central Criminal Court. You can read a transcript of the trial at    www.oldbaileyonline.org   by searching for "Sleap".

Hope that you find the info useful.

Regards.

Eric.

[Gaye]

 

You are so detailed!!!  Fantastic work Sherlock

So Thomas Brown is not at home in the 1851 Census
I knew about all the Sleap children but not this little Jane Brown aged 2
Two families are living at the same address, the Browns/Sleaps and the
Lamprills

By 1861 Census it appears that Jane Brown has married James Lamprill
and Jane Brown dau is now 12 but changed surname to Lamprill - Daniel
Sleap becomes James' step son and most weird - THOMAS BROWN is a
Widower aged 60 in the same house.  Or is this Thomas Brown's father who
was also named Thomas Brown.

I agree with you that Jane Diana Brown didn't marry James Lamprill - it must have
been a commonlaw marriage since she dies in 1870 as Jane Diana Brown, widow of Thomas Brown seaman

At the marriage of Jane Diana's daughter Elizabeth Sarah Sleap in 1852, THOMAS BROWN appears as a witness - so he's alive and well in that year

There is no mention of Thomas Brown on the marriage certificates of sons John Sleap in 1856 and Daniel Sleap in 1864

Where are the Lamprills and John Sleap in 1871 Census?

John Sleap married Sarah Jane Crowden and here they are in 1861 Census
23 Lower Smith St Clerkenwell RG09 199/18 Page 34
SLEAP, John  Head Married aged 25 Tinsmith  Poplar
SLEAP, Sarah  Wife Married  aged 25  Southwark Surrey
SLEAP, John  Son  aged 5 Scholar  Shoreditch  
SLEAP, Daniel  Son  aged  4 Scholar  Shoreditch
SLEAP, James  Son  aged 2  Clerkenwell
SLEAP, Joseph  Son   aged  0  Clerkenwell

Daniel Sleap married Harriet Elizabeth Matthews and here they are in 1871 Census
24 King St Chelsea RG10/81 Pg 62
Daniel Sleap, Head, aged 32, Carpenter, b. Poplar
Harriet Sleap, Wife, aged 28, b.Limehouse
Thomas Sleap, Son,aged 1, b. Stepney

Thanks so much for your enlightening info!
Best regards
GAYE

[Gaye]

 

Yes I do have the death certificate for Daniel Sleap who died
after an accidental fall from a scaffold in 1842

The GENI info is actually from my tree I have there 

Thanks for the snippet from the Old Bailey re Daniel Jr witness
- so interesting!

Dau Elizabeth Sarah Sleap married Joseph Kent DRAKE
and their son Walter John Drake b.1855 married Harriet Isabella BASSANO
who are my ggrandparents

Regards
GAYE

[Eric L]

Gaye,

My pleasure.

I would not place too much store on the census enumarator's understanding in the 1861 census which shows James and Jane Diana to be legally married. As you say, I think that a common law marriage was probably more likely though this was more usual where one (or both) of the existing partners was still living. We know that James was already a widower and, presumably, Jane Diana was also a widow by 1861 so why they had not married remains a mystery.

 As far as James LAMPRELL is concerned, I cannot find any trace of him in the 1871 or later censuses nor of his death in the GRO records. I am thinking that he may have emigrated but don't have any proof of this and he certainly hasn't surfaced in Australia or the USA during my research of those countries. Just a thought - is there a searchable national database of BMDs in NZ to see if he possibly headed that way?

Regards,

Eric.