To Torilar and all who have tried to assist in solving this mystery thankyou for your Scots kindness not quite sure how to thankyou, but thanks for your interest I know its Colbron but don't know a thing about my Grandad's family it is a bit of a taboo subject -- aren't families strange!! I knew him only a little as we moved from Edinburgh when I was 2 and tho I saw him afew times he was never close as he had a stroke, so never heard about his family I will print these off and when I see my mum soon I will try to ask more, I know he worked at Leith Docks and think I was told once he was a freemason, I don't know why but I get the feeling something happened to him But to share a better side of his character when Rock Around The Clock came to Edinburgh he took my mum 5 times to see it he liked Rock n Roll despite his age, it is almost like a part of him died. regards Craig