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1871 Gloucestershire Soles
« on: Tuesday 21 June 05 03:15 BST (UK) »
Hello Would someone be able to tell me if there is a William G Packer Soles age 28 born Eastleach and Sarah age 26 with baby Annie in 1871 in Gloucestershire.  William is eldest son of Samuel Soles and Ann who had moved to Oxfordshire so I am not certain he was in Gloucestershire.  William and Sarah were married in Boddington Tewkesbury district Gls in October 1870 and they were in Gotherington near Cheltenham in December 1870 so hoping they could still be in Gloucestershire. By early 1873 they were in Elmstone Hardwicke so they moved around a fair bit. Wlliam originally had surname Packer in 1851 but his surname was Soles at marriage.  Sarah was from Gotherington so they may have just gone back to Gotherington for Annie's birth.

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Re: 1871 Gloucestershire Soles
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 03:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Carmel


could this be the right family?
 
addr: Stav Village, Staverton, Gloucestershire   
RG10/2662
Registration district:    Cheltenham
Sub-registration district:    Charlton Kings
ED, institution, or vessel:    20
Folio:    54 
Page:    14 


Soles
William 28  Not Known Head  ag lab
Sarah 25  Bishops Cleeve, Gloucestershire, England Wife 
Ann 3 months  Gutherington, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
Emma 10  Bishops Cleeve, Gloucestershire, England Niece

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Hertfordshire(Anstey, the Hadham, Reed, Standon): Gault, Hoy, Miles, Smith
Shropshire(Aston Botterell,Burwarton,Stoke St Milborough,Wheathill): Angell, Blackmore, Blakemore, Bennett, Pheysey
Essex(Dunmow,West Ham): Allen, Blackmore, Carr, Sutton
Warwickshire(Birmingham,Edgbaston): Angell
Yorkshire(Doncaster,Hull): Brooks, Doe
London/Middlesex area(Battersea,Wandsworth, Willesden): Angell, Brooks, Carr, Carswell, Salkind
Norfolk (Norwich,Nth Walsham,Lynn,Gt Yarmouth): Carr, Salkind

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Re: 1871 Gloucestershire Soles
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 04:21 BST (UK) »
Yes thanks Tara that would be them.  Bishops Cleeve is the bigger centre close to Gotherington and Annie was born Dec so would be 3 months.  I don't know why William didn't know where he was born.  He had it correct on 1881 census but I have still to find the family in 1861.

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Carmel
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Re: 1871 Gloucestershire Soles
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 04:47 BST (UK) »
Following on from this I am trying to determine who the niece Emma would be.  I have an Emily Potter born 1862 daughter of Sarah's brother James so would it be possible to request a lookup of James age 34 and Caroline age 33 Potter in Gotherington Gls in 1871.  The other children were Mary Ann, Alice and Herbert so if Emily is missing from their family group I'll know if it is her with William and Sarah.
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Re: 1871 Gloucestershire Soles
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 05:00 BST (UK) »
Here are William's parents and siblings

1861 Census

addr: Baunton, Cirencester   
RG9/1783, ed 16, folio 77, pg 3
Samuel Soles 40    Head  carter
Ann Soles 40  Wife 
Moses Soles 9  Son
Charles Soles 7  Son 
Thomas Soles 3 Son

all born Eastleach Martin


can't seem to find William??  :-[
Hertfordshire(Anstey, the Hadham, Reed, Standon): Gault, Hoy, Miles, Smith
Shropshire(Aston Botterell,Burwarton,Stoke St Milborough,Wheathill): Angell, Blackmore, Blakemore, Bennett, Pheysey
Essex(Dunmow,West Ham): Allen, Blackmore, Carr, Sutton
Warwickshire(Birmingham,Edgbaston): Angell
Yorkshire(Doncaster,Hull): Brooks, Doe
London/Middlesex area(Battersea,Wandsworth, Willesden): Angell, Brooks, Carr, Carswell, Salkind
Norfolk (Norwich,Nth Walsham,Lynn,Gt Yarmouth): Carr, Salkind

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Re: 1871 Gloucestershire Soles
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 05:05 BST (UK) »
1871

the Potters
1871
addr:Bishops Cleeve, Gotherington   
RG10/2657, ed 2, folio 28, pg 14



Potter
James abt 1836  Head  ag lab
Caroline abt 1837  Wife  labourer
Mary Ann abt 1861  Daughter
Emily abt 1863   Daughter 
Alice abt 1865  Daughter 
Herbert abt 1869  Son 


all born Gotherington except Mary Ann born in Cleeve
Hertfordshire(Anstey, the Hadham, Reed, Standon): Gault, Hoy, Miles, Smith
Shropshire(Aston Botterell,Burwarton,Stoke St Milborough,Wheathill): Angell, Blackmore, Blakemore, Bennett, Pheysey
Essex(Dunmow,West Ham): Allen, Blackmore, Carr, Sutton
Warwickshire(Birmingham,Edgbaston): Angell
Yorkshire(Doncaster,Hull): Brooks, Doe
London/Middlesex area(Battersea,Wandsworth, Willesden): Angell, Brooks, Carr, Carswell, Salkind
Norfolk (Norwich,Nth Walsham,Lynn,Gt Yarmouth): Carr, Salkind

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Re: 1871 Gloucestershire Soles
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 05:16 BST (UK) »
can't find an Emma Sole in 1861 census either, she should be age 1.

any ideas to her and William's whereabouts in 1861??

Tara
Hertfordshire(Anstey, the Hadham, Reed, Standon): Gault, Hoy, Miles, Smith
Shropshire(Aston Botterell,Burwarton,Stoke St Milborough,Wheathill): Angell, Blackmore, Blakemore, Bennett, Pheysey
Essex(Dunmow,West Ham): Allen, Blackmore, Carr, Sutton
Warwickshire(Birmingham,Edgbaston): Angell
Yorkshire(Doncaster,Hull): Brooks, Doe
London/Middlesex area(Battersea,Wandsworth, Willesden): Angell, Brooks, Carr, Carswell, Salkind
Norfolk (Norwich,Nth Walsham,Lynn,Gt Yarmouth): Carr, Salkind

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Re: 1871 Gloucestershire Soles
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 05:30 BST (UK) »
Tara
I think the niece Emma would be a Potter but obviously not James' daughter Emily since she was still with parents or daughter of one of Sarah's sisters since she was born Bishops Cleeve.  I don't have marriages for her sisters but they were Mary Ann, Lucy and Jane. Maybe an early census may indicate if one could be mother of an Emma. The Soles were at Eastleach and as far as I know only William ended up in the Cheltenham Bishops Cleeve area for a while.

Could William be listed as a Packer (as he was in 1851) on 1861 census.  He was born before Ann Packer and Samuel Soles were married.

I'll have a look around BMD etc and see if anything comes up to indicate the Potter girls married names.

Thanks again
Carmel
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Re: 1871 Gloucestershire Soles
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 08:13 BST (UK) »
On the Ancestry index there is an Emma Potter born c 1861 in Gloucestershire 1861 census and also Emma died 1877 age 17 in Cheltenham district so I think this is her and most likely an illegitimate daughter of one of the girls- the other sons are younger than Sarah and unlikely to have a daughter born c1860.  I have found Lucy born 1842 married John Barnard or Barnett in 1871.  He was 20 yrs older than her and in 1851 lived next door to the Potter family in Gotherington so Emma could be her daughter.  Can't find any marriages for others Mary A may have died in 1851 and Jane may have died 1868 as Potters so hopefully there is an Emma Potter somewhere in Gotherington area census 1861 and possibly with grandparents James and Sarah.

Thanks for all your help
Carmel
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