DONALDSON, Malcolm, ?born in Denny 1856/57 grew up in Glasgow

[MonicaL]

When Thomas Rouchhead b. 1869 married a Lizzie Fleming in 1892 in Kilsyth, he gave his name as Thomas R Jarvie, son of a Thomas Jarvie and a Margaret ms. Rochhead. Both Thomases coal miners by trade. There is the image of the marriage cert on an online tree I have just found where this info is from.

This is likely them in 1891:

Thomas Jervie 59 labourer b. Stirlingshire, Banton (?spl)
Margar Jervie 58 wife b. Lanarkshire, Airdrie
Thomas Jervie 21 miner b. Kilsyth

Address: Private House, Kilsyth

No marriage showing on SP for Margaret and Thomas, or not that I can see from searches.

I can't easily see the 1881 entry for Thomas, Agnes and Margaret on the transcript.

For Agnes, I think she also shows as Jarvie in 1891 (maybe Thomas Jarvie was the father to the later children?):

Agnes Jarvie, 24, Cook Dom Serv. b. Kilsyth working at the Temperance Hotel in Larbert.


Monica

[Dingross]

Thank you - this looks quite promising, particularly with the first name being Malcolm.  Malcolm doesn't seem to be a family name in the Donaldson family or the Turnbulls - and they seem to have been strong on using family names. 

The 1861 census is also suggestive with her not having any children with her - and the adoption of Barbara.

The next thing would be to try and find a link to the Donaldsons, but like you, I can't think of a way to do it.

I had a look at Margaret Roughhead's death registration on SP - her name is given as Jarvie there - but like you, I can't find a marriage.  The death was registered by Agnes - and it's a bit faint, but I think the surname she gives is Jarvie

[loobylooayr]

Hi again,
All this looks very interesting and seems a good possibility.
Could it be significant that Margaret Rouchhead calls her twin daughters Agnes after her sister and Barbara - the name of the Malcolm Donaldson's foster mother?

You mention that Malcolm calls a son Adam - is this a family name in the Donaldson/Turnbull families prior to Malcolm's son?

Looby

[Dingross]

That's an interesting thought about Barbara's name.

Malcolm's brother-in-law, Robert McDougall's father was Adam McDougall.  Robert's first son was Adam McDougall and Malcolm's youngest son was Adam McDougall Donaldson.

I've been having a look at the Roughheads / Rouchhead.  There seem to be quite a variety of other spelling variants, which makes it a little more tricky.  i'm up to 8 possible children for Margaret Roughhead - a Jean born in 1863 in Kilsyth and a Marion born in 1873 in Larbert in addition to the 6 found by MonicaL.  The younger Agnes (1867) and Thomas (1869) both seem to have stayed with Margaret and taken the name Jarvie from her husband/partner, Thomas.

There's a rather puzzling census record on Ancestry for Thomas Jarvie in 1881, which has Agnes and Thomas in the household, but which has Agnes "Rotoghead", aged 46 as "mother" (of the head of the household - which is not actually possible) - could Agnes have been married to Thomas Jarvie??? or mother of Agnes and Thomas jr

[Dingross]

I've had another look at the 1881 census.  I suspect that Agnes "Rotohead" may in fact be Thomas Jarvie's mother-in-law if the age has been wrongly transcribed.  Margaret Roughhead's mother is given as Agnes (m.s.Adam) in her death reg.  odd that Margaret isn't there though.

[loobylooayr]

Yes, I saw a reference on Familysearch which seemed to indicate that Margaret's mother was an Agnes Adam. That's why I asked about Malcolm calling his son Adam. But it makes more sense that he called his boy after his brother-in-law's father who he probably knew.

And it looks like Malcolm McCulloch's mother was called Barbara Innes before her marriage to McCulloch, so perhaps baby Barbara was called after her. Sadly, despite Margaret having all those children I can't find any births for Malcolm and Agnes. I think they have another daughter born circa 1865 called Margaret/Marion but I can't find a birth for her either. Could she be another of sister Margaret's ?

 

[Dingross]

FamilySearch has a Marion "Roughead", daughter of Margaret, born 25th August 1873.  Malcolm "Rouchhead" was born 31st July 1857 and there are 2 Agneses - Agnes "Rouchead" 20 October 1859 and Agnes "Rouchheed" 22nd March 1867 - you see what I mean by all the spelling variations!

[MonicaL]

I have been searching where I can for the surname as RO*H*D! You will find a multitude of spelling variations for this surname for sure.

From this index, Agnes (who I think should likely read Margaret) is top of the list:

Agnes ROUGHEAD, Mother, unmarried, 46, Breaker House Keeper, b. Airdrie, Lanark
http://tompaterson.co.uk/censussearch.php?Surname=ROUGHHEAD

Monica

[Dingross]

That's an interesting list.

Re Agnes Roughead - the puzzle with this entry is whose mother she is - not Thomas Jarvie's from her age - which is why I thought the age might be wrong, but you could be right that it's the name that's wrong.