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Offline Judy Pengilly

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Re: Help needed to get to the bottom of a family scandal?
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 23 June 05 07:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Val,

thank you so much for those, I have copies already that cost me a fortune!! shame really butI am so determined to find this man.  My Father-in-Law (the Frederick on the B Cert) is is now in his 86th year and I know how much he would love to find the last resting place of his Father (The missing link)

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« Reply #37 on: Friday 24 June 05 17:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Kathy,

You are probably right so I will put what possible links I have with Frederick Carkeek back on this site and again ask everybody for some help.  Everything in this family is written in riddles but I found something that came from Frederick Carkeeks Mothers house after she died in 1952 (Elizabeth Jane Pengilly Nee Carkeek)  There is perhaps a tenuous link to San Fransisco ? and possibly another marriage to a lady Called: Ruby, Eileen, Alexander, Pengilly Nee Ward  I think the surname is Ward and not Alexander-Ward the rumour is that they had 2 children, George Frederick!!!! and Jennifer Nora.  As I say this could be another complete red herring.

Anybody ever heard of a "Storey (Starry) Harbour" it keeps cropping up as does Butte with the Carkeek's,  We know he travelled with his uncle and cousins both Carkeeks to emigrate.

Also have a sort of address: PO Box 1444 Miami Az

Any help at all will always be greatly appreciated

Judy

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Re: Help needed to get to the bottom of a family scandal?
« Reply #38 on: Friday 24 June 05 18:11 BST (UK) »
Judy,

The most obvious association with Butte is Montana  --  but there are probably other Butte 's to be found in many of the western states.  Didn't you say early on there were Utah family?  There could well be a Butte, Utah.  You might try googling that and see what comes up.

I Did a quick google on Storey/Starry Harbour --  nothing comes up  or when you say it fast or slurred it doesn't ring a bell.

There is a Star Harbor, Texas which is South and slightly E of Dallas  and is now a sleeper community for Dallas.   This would be Henderson Co., TX

Back to the letter w/ the Miami, AZ address  -- any date on the letter or postmark which might tell you if Fredrick was in that  area post-1930?

Kathy
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Re: Help needed to get to the bottom of a family scandal?
« Reply #39 on: Friday 24 June 05 18:38 BST (UK) »
Kathy the Butte is definitely the Montana Butte, plenty of Carkeeks around but no details of Fred.  Bingham is the other place which he seems to think is Utah.  Got several letters but sadly the post marks are all Az from 1926 - 1929  He writes to his sisters and mother, very affectionately regularly.  Thats what confuses me as to his disappearance.


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Re: Help needed to get to the bottom of a family scandal?
« Reply #40 on: Friday 24 June 05 22:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Judy
Had the opportunity to go the Arizona State Capital today and searched for a marriage cert for Fred. and Blanche.

Bingo!!

Marriage Certificate
for State of Arizona, County of Gila

Frederick Pengilly and Phillip(sic) Mary Blanche Cole were joined in marriage by me at Globe in the County of Gila on the 29th day of November 1919.
Signed by: Frederick Pengilly, Groom
                  Phillip Mary Blanche Cole, Bride


Frederick was 26, Blanche was 20

Witnesses: Frances Williams
                   William J. Carneek or Carnuk, or Carneck.

Details:
Recorded December 1, 1919 at 3:00pm in Book 5 of marriages, Page 428.

I have a copy but no clue how to scan and send.  Would be happy to snail mail.


Regards,
Valerie
Bayley, Dorset, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Cheshire and others.
Antrobus, Somerset/Glouster
Skelton, Heslington, Yorkshire
James, Norfolk, and London
Delasalle, London area
Gravett/Grevet, Surrey
Also searching the above in Australia

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Re: Help needed to get to the bottom of a family scandal?
« Reply #41 on: Friday 24 June 05 23:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Valerie,

You really have made my day.  I dont know how to thank you.  My husband has been doing cartwheels since your post.  I will pm you with my address and please please allow me to pay for any costs at all you have incurred.  I am really really delighted.  All I have ever asked from all of this is for a copy of the Wedding Certificate and Freds Death Cert with wherever he rests.

Thanks again Judy

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Re: Help needed to get to the bottom of a family scandal?
« Reply #42 on: Friday 24 June 05 23:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Judy
I'm sending a couple of copies of the same page, it is a little faded, but I think very legible.
Absolutely NO charge. The thrill of finding them was more than enough.

Should be in tomorrow's mail.

Please don't haunt the Postie....they are funny about that kind of thing... :D

Regards
Valerie
Bayley, Dorset, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Cheshire and others.
Antrobus, Somerset/Glouster
Skelton, Heslington, Yorkshire
James, Norfolk, and London
Delasalle, London area
Gravett/Grevet, Surrey
Also searching the above in Australia

“Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Help needed to get to the bottom of a family scandal?
« Reply #43 on: Friday 24 June 05 23:50 BST (UK) »
I cant thank you enough Valerie.  I noticed at the bottom that you are trying to trace Antrobus, we have in the local village a very big house used for civic ceremonies called Antrobus House, the local pub is also called the Antrobus Arms.  Don't hesitate to ask to find out anything about them should you wish.

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Re: Help needed to get to the bottom of a family scandal?
« Reply #44 on: Sunday 30 July 06 00:29 BST (UK) »
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