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John Carnegie Allan, 1849 - c1881
« on: Saturday 25 January 14 16:57 GMT (UK) »
Here I go again...John Carnegie Allan born Aberdeen and baptised in 1849...son of William Allan and Catharine Carnegie.  Married Helen Wemyss c 1878 in Bervie.  Daughter Susan Ann Allan born in 1880 in Bervie.  In 1881 Helen is listed as a widow in the census in Bervie. 
John was a ships carpenter.  Does this mean he would have been aboard a ship or on land?

I have found one death for a John Allan on marine register from Scotland on board the Diana.  He was stabbed/murdered.

I am not sure if this is the one I am looking for.

Help......

Thanks
Lynda
Welsh Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
Chisholm, Rew,McDonald,Macdonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Horan,  Edinburgh.
Robertson, Penicuik, oodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.

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Re: John Carnegie Allan, 1849 - c1881
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 26 January 14 14:09 GMT (UK) »
A record for John Allan on the 1881 census aboard the ship Diana In Woolwich says he was the master of the ship ... :)

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Re: John Carnegie Allan, 1849 - c1881
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 26 January 14 14:27 GMT (UK) »
You could maybe try looking through newspapers to see what it says about John Allan died 1881 on board the ship Diana

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Re: John Carnegie Allan, 1849 - c1881
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 26 January 14 15:30 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for this....which papers should I look at and would a ships carpenter be aboard a ship or be on land....this is one of a few that i have been chasing for a long time..

Thanks,
Lynda
Welsh Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
Chisholm, Rew,McDonald,Macdonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Horan,  Edinburgh.
Robertson, Penicuik, oodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.

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Re: John Carnegie Allan, 1849 - c1881
« Reply #4 on: Monday 27 January 14 11:09 GMT (UK) »
British Newspapers ( Aberdeenshire ) I would suggest looking at the death for the John Allan on board the Diana and see what it says ..You can google Ships Carpenter and see what it says  :)

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Re: John Carnegie Allan, 1849 - c1881
« Reply #5 on: Monday 24 February 14 22:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi. I can't help directly but want you to know that Helen Wemyss was my first cousin 3 times removed.
Good luck with the research.
Kathy
Anderson, Armit, Baird, Black, Booth, Clark [N. Ireland], Collie, Corbert, Donaldson, Duncan, Euart, Ferguson, Fleming [N. Ireland], Forbes, Fyfe, Gibson, Gill, Johnston, Laing, Lobban, Lumsden, Mackie, Marshall, Martin, McIntosh, McKenzie/ Kydon, McLeod, McRobb, Milner, Neilson, Paterson, Pride, Rennie, Ritchie, Simpson, Slater, Smith [N. Ireland], Stephen, Stewart, Thomson,
Troup. All in Scotland plus as noted.

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Re: John Carnegie Allan, 1849 - c1881
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 March 14 20:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Cathy,
Thanks for the last message and welcome to Rootschat. For some reason I was not notified, so apologies for not getting back to you earlier.
 The picture on my posts is of Helens daughter Susan, my gt grandmother.  I am still struggling to find the death of her father.

I have very little info on this part of the family but am happy to share what I have if needed.

Look forward to hearing from you .

Regards,
Lynda

Welsh Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
Chisholm, Rew,McDonald,Macdonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Horan,  Edinburgh.
Robertson, Penicuik, oodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.

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Re: John Carnegie Allan, 1849 - c1881
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 05 March 14 17:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi and thanks for responding. Unfortunately I have no information to help track the death. All I know from the 1881 census is that Susan Gill McRobb, Helen Allan and  Ann Barclay are all widows.
I am trying to get used to this new site and will gradually add information on who I am trying to trace.
Best wishes, Kathy
Anderson, Armit, Baird, Black, Booth, Clark [N. Ireland], Collie, Corbert, Donaldson, Duncan, Euart, Ferguson, Fleming [N. Ireland], Forbes, Fyfe, Gibson, Gill, Johnston, Laing, Lobban, Lumsden, Mackie, Marshall, Martin, McIntosh, McKenzie/ Kydon, McLeod, McRobb, Milner, Neilson, Paterson, Pride, Rennie, Ritchie, Simpson, Slater, Smith [N. Ireland], Stephen, Stewart, Thomson,
Troup. All in Scotland plus as noted.

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Re: John Carnegie Allan, 1849 - c1881
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 06 March 14 08:58 GMT (UK) »
Have you seen this link -
http://www.geni.com/people/John-Allan/6000000003223718211
Not any more to go on, I'm afraid.

The Aberdeenshire library service have copies of many of the newspapers from that time and may be able to help. email - libraries@aberdeenshire.gov.uk

It is very likely that John was on a ship when he died, and may have been buried at sea. The register of shipping and seamen in Cardiff may be able to help - http://www.archiveswales.org.uk/anw/get_collection.php?inst_id=34&coll_id=11944&expand

Good luck.
Irvine Gove Watt Stronner
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