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Location of "Sheepland", Manor of Newtownards
« on: Friday 24 January 14 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
"Sheepland” is listed as one of the townlands in the Manor of Newtownards, part of the Londonderry estate.  Does anyone know its precise location?
Also, I am wondering whether "Sheepland" is synonymous with the land known as "Sheep Park" apparently near Bangor which was leased by members of the Bryson family of the Cotton in the late 1700s and early 1800s.  Can any one help?

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Re: Location of "Sheepland", Manor of Newtownards
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 January 14 12:59 GMT (UK) »
Hello  Camlin.  if you google the vanished village of sheeplands you get a nice wee write up and some of the history about the village.
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BOYD. BRODIE. CLOSS. Morrison. Kennedy. ROBERTSON. AYRSHIRE.  GEORGE. PATTON. STEWART. ALEXANDER. CARSON. HALL. BOYD. NORTHERN IRELAND. KIE BLACKSTOCK WIGTOWNSHIRE.

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Re: Location of "Sheepland", Manor of Newtownards
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 January 14 13:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
   There are two townlands, Sheepland More and Sheepland Beg in the parish of Dunsfort in the Downpatrick area.

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Re: Location of "Sheepland", Manor of Newtownards
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 January 14 15:07 GMT (UK) »
My interest is in the Sheepland listed as being a townland in the Manor of Newtownards.  Sheeplandbeg and Sheeplandmore are at the far end of Strangford Lough.


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Re: Location of "Sheepland", Manor of Newtownards
« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 January 14 19:55 GMT (UK) »
http://www.derek-beattie.comxa.com/townlands.htm
It says here that Sheepland was one of the original townland names...unfortunately if doesn't say which one it was....not much help!

There is an option to email the owner of the site...maybe they will know...
O'Kane, O'Mullan: Garvagh Derry
Bowe: Currabaha ,Waterford
McManus: Aghagallon ,Antrim
McGowan: Drumshambo, Leitrim

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Re: Location of "Sheepland", Manor of Newtownards
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 25 January 14 09:25 GMT (UK) »
try Public Record Office for Northern Ireland
PRONI Reference :   D654/M/38
Level :   Sub-series   
Title :   Manor of Newtownards: Sheepland or Sheep Park.
Dates :   No Date
Description :   MAPS OF MAJOR ESTATES : MANOR OF NEWTOWNARDS: SHEEPLAND OR SHEEP PARK
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Re: Location of "Sheepland", Manor of Newtownards
« Reply #6 on: Friday 13 November 15 11:00 GMT (UK) »
I am now reasonably certain that the small townland of Sheepland or Sheep Park is now subsumed in the townland of Whitespots. In the list of County Down freeholders, PRONI reference D654/A3/1Q, 'the situation of freehold' of a David Boyd living in Whitespots is described as 'Sheep Park in Whitespots'.
(I am afraid that the map in PRONI referred to by Ballyaltikilligan did not prove helpful.  It shows the townland itself but not its context.  it doesn't for example show physical features or have the names of adjacent townlands which might have helped to locate it.)


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Re: Location of "Sheepland", Manor of Newtownards
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 15 November 15 12:12 GMT (UK) »
you nevertheless whetted my appetite .   

The Ordnance Survey 6 inch series Ist edition, 1st revision is dated 1863 for Whitespots and is used in http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ The map references for Boyd are
John Boyd map reference 3 A, B.has two pieces of land one 27 acres the other 2 acres and a house valued at 1 fifteenshilling pa his landlord the Marquis of Londonderry
William Boyd map reference 54 a, b, c. has   one piece of land of 28 acres value £14 his landlord the Marquis of Londonderry and three houses he occupies a, which has value £2pa and is allowed to sublease the other two one valued at ten shillings pa the other £1 pa but has no named tenant.
Looking at the map b and C are to the east side of the plot and in this area are two areas of unusual land suitable for ? could be gorse covered rough land Both properties reached by narrow lanes from the Bangor Road
The a reference on the west side of the plot contains two buildings and the area is marked Lead mines.  It has an intrusion marked 51 which is owned by a mining company, a is reached by a long drive way road from the Bangor Road.. The intrusion appears to be served by a road from Mountain Road.  over seeing the site useing Google Satelitite shows a line of lead mines runs northwards ie Conlig lead mines which comes under Bangor parish. coming under Bangor,on the west side of this line is a large area of the same sort of scrubland. My topographical guestimate is that this is the Sheepland or sheep park itself 
David Boyd map reference 68 has a land lease only, on less than an acres. no house involved so where does he live?

The Ordnance Survey 6 inch series Ist edition, dated 1830? exists it show less fields etc and much material was dropped off by the time of the 1st revision. Should be worth checking probably copies in PRONI and Linenhall Library belfast.

I looked up Derek Beattie’s website on Newtownards http://www.newtownards.info and noticed he has Whitespots Boyd references including an 1813 reference to Sheep Park Whitespots, which sounds like your finding, so I carried onwards attempting to sketch the main Boyd line of the area, which I expect you can correct etc
Generation 1.   John Boyd {b.c1681}  d 6th. April 1741 aged 60 - - A farmer of Whitespots
Generation 2.   possible sons 1700-1730
Generation 3.   possible grandsons and granddaughters 1720-1760 so including
James Boyd  {b.c1741 d 8th. April 1799 aged 58 - {b.c1741} - Father of      David Boyd Whitespots?
 Generation 4   children
    David Boyd   Sr 1760 -1780 d [NB  David Boyd,Snr. in 1813,  leased land to              David Boyd Jnr. of Sheep Park Whitespots]
 Generation 5   children
 David Boyd Jr  b 1780-1797  [NB  David Boyd,Snr. in 1813,  leased land to              David Boyd Jnr. of Sheep Park Whitespots]
  Annie Boyd, {b.c1803} d 22nd. January 1830 aged 27 - {b.c1803} - 
   possible other children William Boyd ? Samuel Boyd ?

I came to your conclusion the Boyds didnt move just the nomenclature of Whitespots changed and the Boyds stayed put  from before 1700 and where they still lived in 1863 and is the original Sheepland and Sheep Park  area of Whitespots.

other potential sources
The Tithe Applotment Books for both Bangor and Newtownards as recorded by  http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/newtownards-parish.php#.Vkhu5EvBEYU only contain one townland each -Bangor has Ballygratt Year: 1834. and Newtownards has Ballyskeaugh Year: 1833.  Perhaps the originals held by PRONI Belfast include more.
The Ordnance Survey Memoirs of Ireland Vol 7 Co Down Ardkeen Ardquin Ballyhalbert Ballyphilip Ballytrustan Ballywalter Bangor Castleboy Comber Donaghadee Donaghdee Drumbo Dundonald Grey Abbey Holywood Inishargy Killinchy Kilmood Knockbreda Newtownards Portaferry Saintfield Slanes Tullynakill Witter Drumbeg+ It appears to be available from the institute of Orash Studies and the Ulster Historical Foundation. It also has an index Title details: McWilliams, P.S., Ordnance Survey Memoirs of Ireland: Index of People and Places, Institute of Irish Studies, QUB. 2002. Paperback ISBN 085389 812 X (£25.00), hardback ISBN 085389 813 8 (£50.00), 767 pp.

Newtown: A History of Newtownards by Dr Trevor McCavery is out now published by White Row.  See Whiterow.net.

The 1901 Irish census has 
Residents of a house 16 in Whitespots (Newtownards, Down) has  James Boyd the farmer and Agnes his older sister
Residents of a house 47 in Whitespots (Newtownards, Down) has David Boyd and his wife May Ann and family
 
PRONI http://www.proni.gov.uk has the continuation books of Valuation following on Griffiths 
Ros Davies co Down website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies has sufficient entries to piecemeal futher Whitepots Boyds together.

The Londonderry papers PRONI?may well contain estate maps as might Bryson of cotton records etc etc
My appetite now whetted, Its a great exciting place to visit which sadly i doubt Iwill see again
JimG
PS Camlin are you joining in on  'the Boyds of co Down' current query on this forum
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