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Re: Lily Smith b. 1885
« Reply #9 on: Monday 27 January 14 23:01 GMT (UK) »
Will do - thanks :)

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Re: Lily Smith b. 1885
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 08 February 14 10:40 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your input Rosie - I've received certificates from GRO and am almost certain this is my Lily and her family.   Birth certificate of Harold Smith (b.Dec 1893) shows Annie's maiden name as Allen, and that Harold's father, William Alfred was deceased at the time of his birth;  this ties up with the death certificate of William Smith (d.Nov 1893);  on both certificates William Alfred is 'Barrack labourer' 'Army Pensioner';  the family were living in married quarters at Colchester.   The marriage certificate of Annie Smith and William Radford in Oct 1898 also shows Annie's father as Alfred Allen (deceased) and I'm in the process of searching/finding her family in East Donyland/Rowhedge, Essex - all seem to have been mariners/fishermen.   
I still haven't been able to find the birthplace of William and Annie's first 3 children - Alice (abt 1882) Lily (abt. 1885) and Ada (abt. 1887) but will keep working on that.

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Re: Lily Smith b. 1885
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 08 February 14 11:46 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for letting me know.  :)

There is a possibility for Annie Allen in 1881, Colchester -  age 21 bn Rowhedge but she is not with family
RG11 piece 1787 folio 16 page 25

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Re: Lily Smith b. 1885
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 11 February 14 13:13 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Rosie -
Yes I found that 1881 Census record - which does also link with everything else as Annie was recorded there as living in Mersea Road, Colchester, which I know is in the same area of Colchester, and also very close to the Army Barracks there.   She looks as if she's added a year to her age, but I expect that's probable if she was living alone.   If I have the correct family, her mother, Rachel, had died in 1877 and I can't find her father, Alfred Allen, on the 1881 Census.
However also in the 1881 Census all the children were living away from family - Alfred and Harry (Annie's brothers) were in the Union House, Stanway, Colchester; sister Kate Allen was General servant in the St. Botolphs area of Colchester (also very close to Mersea Road, the Barracks and also Cannon Street, where Annie was with William Smith and their family in 1891 Census:  sister Rachel Allen was at Rowhedge, East Donyland as 'niece'.   
I do need to double-check some facts in the Essex Registers, but it all seems very probable at the moment :).
I'm still searching for William Smith & Annie Allen marriage and also for birthplaces of Alice (1882); Lily (1885); Ada (1887) and Grace (1889) - wonder if they are related to an Army placement for William between those years.   Does anyone know how best to search within the Military for these?  It's possible that William was stationed at Colchester Barracks, but there's also the Kent/Dover/Canterbury connection?


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Re: Lily Smith b. 1885
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 11 February 14 18:11 GMT (UK) »
There are pages of W Smith's with no ages or places of birth on the indexes listed on findmypast military records but no way of isolating most of them. 

I keep looking back at this  ;)  Sorry I am no help at the moment.

Rosie
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Re: Lily Smith b. 1885
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 15 February 14 12:29 GMT (UK) »
I have found a Lily Smith birth in 1885 in Army Births and Baptisms/Regimental Birth Indices 1761-1924 - Hounslow - father in 7th Foot - but that's a bit vague:   I don't know how to take that any further other than send for the birth certificate - which I might do. 
I need to understand more about how the Army regiments/battalions etc worked.   I don't know whether Lily's father, William Alfred, was always in the EKR 'The Buffs' or whether he transferred to another Regiment - did they do that?
Thanks - I wouldn't have got to this point without your help :)

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Re: Lily Smith b. 1885
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 15 February 14 18:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I have no idea about Army records, you could always try a separate post on the 'Army boards' for advice as to where the Buffs might have been around that time.

There is a christening in Hounslow in May 1885 for a Lily Smith whose father is in the army but he is Charles Henry with wife Eliza and is in 5th Battn Royal Fusiliers.
The next entries to this are Joseph H & Florence Maud Carpenter whose father is reportedly in the same battalion as Charles Henry Smith.  I have just looked these two up on Regimental indexes and they give the Regiment as 7th Foot like your Lily Smith.  I am thinking that the birth reg you have found is the one that matches the christening I have found.  ???

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Re: Lily Smith b. 1885
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 22 February 14 17:14 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Rosie -
Yes I think you're right - the baptism in Hounslow doesn't look like 'my' Lily -
I posted on the Military Forum and got some advice, so will try and follow that up

Ann

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Re: Lily Smith b. 1885
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 22 February 14 18:00 GMT (UK) »
I will watch your other post with interest.  :)

Rosie
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