Who are the bigwigs and where?

[mazi]

Motor lorries and hire, one post said.  There cannot have been many of those in Woolwich, I wonder if a trade directory of the time would narrow the street behind to one of maybe a dozen at most.

mike

[Dimps]

Thanks, Mike.  Good thinking!

Are the two men the same (with and without glasses)?  The mayoral badge is.  It is in the shape of a Tudor Rose with a depiction of The Great Harry on its face.  I'll put the whole picture on the photo dating board.

Deborah

[Jool]

Here's a list of Mayors of Woolwich, it may help track him down
http://london.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Mayors_of_Woolwich

[arthurk]

Are the two men the same (with and without glasses)?  The mayoral badge is.  It is in the shape of a Tudor Rose with a depiction of The Great Harry on its face.

Does it matter that in the original photo the badge is on a ribbon, but in this other one it's on a chain?

Arthur

[Dimps]

If they are the same man, then it doesn't matter whether the badge is on a chain or a ribbon.  Also, the badge does show that the location of the original crowd photo is in the borough of Woolwich.

We have been using the list - but not all the mayors are pictured on the interwebs.  My friend is going to the Town Hall later in the week, where they might have photos of them all.  However, if both men are one and the same and we can date the picture (it's on the photo dating board), then we can identify him sooner.

He will also be visiting Greenwich Heritage Centre, too and will hopefully find the lorry hire place.  I'm having a look online in the meantime.  All help appreciated.

Thank you.

Deborah

[Billyblue]

I agree with Ruskie that maybe they are all just bored, is why they look so sombre.
Fellow who may be the Mayor has been sprouting too long       

What's the long thing on the table near the vase of flowers?

And look at the woman just down from the smiling lads - the bemused expression on her face!

          

Dawn M

[Ruskie]

interesting to compare the two photos. Despite the lack of glasses and the different angles, I feel fairly sure that they are the same chap (though I expect lots of chaps looked like that in the 20s/30s).  I think it is the (cleft) chin that is the clencher.

[Dimps]

Dawn.  Her clothes are so much older in style than everyone else's.  Look at the eyes of the boy to the right of her, with the fringe.  He seems to be wondering why the bald man has more hair in his ear than on his head.

Most people think the object on the table behind the flowers is an umbrella.  It looked like a curved handle type thing on a board on my computer, but an umbrella on my dad's.  The thing in front looks like a pen.

Ruskie.  We think it's the same man, too.  If we can date the first picture, then we can match the mayor with the list of mayors.  I've now heard that the Town Hall doesn't have any pictures and that there are lots of pictures at the Heritage Centre, but with no names or dates. 

[sugarbakers]

I have no idea of fashion (so my daughter says) or how to date it, but right from the beginning those wide flat caps that a couple of dozen of the men are wearing drew me to a picture I have that’s thought to be 1917 just across the river in Silvertown/North Woolwich. Might help.

It’s the last picture on this page  www.mawer.clara.net/portraits.html  (scroll right to the bottom).

(I’ve been trying to place Lyles or Tates in the picture, but not yet.)