McManus family of Kilmore, Cavan

[Kiltaglassan]

 
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I wasn't able to find her death record in IrishGenealogy.ie.  I found it in GRONI.

Do you have information on these two people?

Death record for Elizabeth McManus (transcribed as McManamon on IrishGenealogy)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05914/4678772.pdf

[Kiltaglassan]

Death record for Elizabeth McManus (transcribed as McManamon on IrishGenealogy)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05914/4678772.pdf

The informant was her son F McManus of Aghindaiagh.

Maybe he and his family in 1901 census.
House 12 in Aghindaiagh (Springtown, Fermanagh).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Springtown/Aghindaiagh/1357885/

https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/knockninny/kinawley/springtown/aghindaiagh/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2925125#map=13/54.19328/-7.63601

[STEAMFITTER]

Thank you.  It matches up with the information I retrieved on GRONI, and good to have a copy of the 'original' record.  I looked at the 1901/1911 census data for Frank McManus, which is 'probably' the same Frank in the death records for John and Elizabeth McManus.  I noticed there was a Hugh McManus living in the building next door.  In Hugh's 1903 death record, Frank testified he was Hugh's nephew.  So the Hugh and John McManus in Aughindaigh were brothers.

While much of this seems a good fit to be my gggrandparents John and Elizabeth, I cannot be 100% sure until I can locate a record which has her maiden surname Flanigan.  I am going to begin looking at the on-line Catholic records in the area for a marriage record.  //I remember my grandfather telling me his family went back and forth between be Catholic and Protestant.//  So if I can't find a Catholic record, I'd like to check the Church of Ireland records but don't believe there is anything on-line right now.  Also, if I could determine where they are buried, perhaps I can write to that church to see if there are any records of interest.

All the above said, I want to thank you again, for following up on my previous posts.

Mike

[Kiltaglassan]

Hi Mike,

Just adding a link for the 1903 death of Hugh-

In Hugh's 1903 death record, Frank testified he was Hugh's nephew.  So the Hugh and John McManus in Aughindaigh were brothers.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05661/4593841.pdf
Francis McManus was the informant.

[gaffy]

The surnames are hardly uncommon so maybe just a coincidence, but for what it's worth, note the following baptism of a Mary McManus on 29 May 1845 in Templeport RC parish, parents recorded as John McManus and Eliza Flanagan, the sponsors were John O'Hara and Brigid Flanagan, the address was Bonebrook, which is a.k.a. the townland of Drumlaydan:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634896?locale=en#page/36/mode/1up (right page, about quarter way down)

Drumlaydan:
https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/tullyhaw/templeport/ballymagauran/drumlaydan/

[STEAMFITTER]

What prompted you to check out Templeport?  Wow!!  The names John McManus and Elizabeth (Biddy, Eliza, etc.) Flanagan are not uncommon...but nowhere (maybe only once) in 'many' searches in many different databases have I seen any McManus - Flanagan unions.  Also I find it interesting that one of the sponsors was Bridgit Flanagan...my ggrandmother is Geraldine 'Bridgit' McManus.  Therefore your find is very exciting and I appreciate it.  Now I will BEGIN my search of the Catholic records at Templeport to see if I can find more records to develop this family.  Thanks again!!  Mike

[gaffy]

Templeport is in the diocese of Kilmore covering bits of several counties, but in the right general vicinity for the geographic context mentioned thus far.

However, be aware that there was a couple called John McManus and Elizabeth Doonan having children at Aghindaiagh in the 1860s.  Here are the civil and baptismal records for a couple of them by way of example:

- Alice born in 1865:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1865/03571/2315966.pdf
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634880#page/47/mode/1up (top of page)

- Patrick born in 1869:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1869/03371/2235886.pdf
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634880#page/73/mode/1up (4th entry down)

Apologies if this turns out to be a spanner in the works.

[STEAMFITTER]

In a previous post I wrote,  "I think I can help a little.
John McManus born 9 Sep 1799 in Ardersier married Margaret Murdoch in 1817 in Elgin Scotland. They had at least 11 children, one of which was my gggrandfather John McManus born in 9 Jan 1823.
Looking at the Scotish census records, the family is in Scotland in 1841, but they are nowhere to be seen in 1851 or thereafter.  Therefore I believe they immigrated to Ireland because my ggrandmother Geraldine Bridget McManus, born 8 August 1859, testified she was born in Ireland in USA marriage records.  Her mother was Elizabeth Flanagan.   I haven't been able to detect  where in Ireland John and Margaret immigrated to in Ireland, but I believe John and Elizabeth died in Aughindaigh, near Derrylin. FYI, the family, from John born in 1799, etc., were members of the Church of Scotland."

I now believe the McManus family in Aughindaigh is NOT connected to this Scottish McManis family who lived in Elgin.  But I still believe they immigrated to Ireland sometime after 1841.

In follow up research, there is a McManus family living in the Drumlaydan-Tullybrack area which MAY POSSIBLY be the family I believe immigrated to Ireland from Elgin Scotland.

[corblimey]

I am also researching my McManus family from Kilmore, Co Cavan, beginning with John McManus born Kilmore, Co Cavan c 1746 whose military life has been fairly well documented in military archive records. He served in the 1st Regiment of Foot, fought at the Siege of Charlestown, South Carolina, was wounded and completed his military service at Fort George in the Royal Company of Invalids.  He was 'demobbed' in Edinburgh in 1802.  He married Margaret Ruddoch and had a son, John McManus, christened at Ardersier, nr Fort George on 9 September, 1799.  My son, Duncan, was christened at the chapel at Fort George in 1970, some 171 years after his ancestor, John McManus.  Duncan's name is inscribed on the Cradle Roll on the wall of Fort George chapel.  The following information may be of some help with your McManus research.
John McManus christened Ardersier, 9 September 1799 to John McManus (soldier and shoemaker, born Kilmore, Co Cavan) and Margaret Ruddoch (Riddoch/Riddock) born Petty, Inverness-shire c 1780, lived in Elgin and had 11 children, several  who sadly died young.  I have visited their grave near the high altar of Elgin Cathedral  where four McManus children are buried with their grandparents, John and Janet Murdoch.

John McManus (b 1799) died on 6 March, 1880 at Moray Union Poorhouse, Bishopsmill,  Elgin.
His wife, Margaret Murdoch died 28 May, 1861 at 202 High Street, Elgin.
These are my ancestors, with their second youngest son, Alexander McManus, born Elgin 1837 being my great-great-grandfather.  All of the McManus children were born in Elgin.  Their surviving children all married and stayed in Scotland, some later moving to Edinburgh (as did Alexander McManus my great-great-grandfather).

I have a good deal of information on the McManus family of Moray that I would be happy to share with anyone researching this family.

Their long residency in Moray would discount their emigrating to Ireland.
They are on the  1851, 1851, and 1861 Scotland census and the baptism records for their children are on Scotland’s People.  Another excellent source of Moray and north Scotland historical records is Libindex (Moray).

John McManus, born Elgin, 1823 is on the 1841 Scotland census living with his family at Sievewright’s (sp?) Close, Elgin.  He was an Apprentice Printer on this census.  I do not have any further information about him at this point in time but my research continues.