WILSON Lancashire/MUNDY/Irish/RYAN Irish

[Nivekdrawoh]

Reply to Rolnora
Thank you....

Reply re...
Sarah Jane Wilson ,  with father Charles F, a plumber.....and she was marrying another WILSON
Have had a look at this marr cert now and the father is deceased which he would be if Elizabeth nee Mundy Wilson b 1853 was a widow from a Wilson in 1891, and a Sarah Jane b 1883 was the last child of Charles F Wilson, plumber.  (so the deceased bit would FIT)
CF Wilson DIED between 1881 and 1891..presumably work related death.....

[heywood]

Fathers name of Marr Cert Is Charles Frederick Wilson, and my JW Wilson b1875 manchester, named is first son after him ...

It is confusing as there are a couple of John William and then there are John Wilsons - of similar ages.

I asked you re the occupations on marriage etc and who your John married.

1901 has this family - I wonder is it yours? If not, it looks as though he is the son of Charles and Martha.

117 Conran Street Harpurhey

John W Wilson 26 yrs  Letterpress Printer b Manchester
Hannah Wilson 25 yrs
Charles F Wilson 6 yrs
Elizabeth Wilson 4 yrs
Gladys Wilson 2 yrs

In 1891 Charles and Martha's son John W Wilson is 16 yrs and is a Printer's Apprentice.

Your John (Elizabeth Mundy)  is a circular sawyer in 1891.

heywood

[amram]

Sarah Jane WILSON marriage mentioned above, took place in 1915.
Charles Frederick WILSON, plumber, death, most likely Jun 1905, age 55, Prestwich, 8d, 196

JW.Wilson 1875 became a letter set printer, in Harpurhey M/C and was such in 1911 as wed to Hannah Wilson (neeHayes)

 1891 Census, provided by Rolnora:

Charles Wilson 43 Head Plumber  b Salford
Martha   43  Wife  b Manchester
John W 4 son  b Beswick  Printers Apprentice
Sarah F 4 b dau  b Beswick, looking at the image I think this age is wrong and should be 11
Elizabeth  9 dau  b Openshaw
Living  at 19 Hewitt Street, Manchester
RG12; Piece 3177 Folio 123 Page 46

You have to stick to what  you know for sure, through documentation. Perhaps your grandmother was named Elizabeth after her aunt.
If you do not have the birth certificate of your John William WILSON, you have no proof of his mother’s name.

Based on what you know for sure, J W Wilson’s father was Charles Frederick WILSON, plumber. John’s trade was the printing business.

[Nivekdrawoh]

REPLY TO HEYWOOD
Thanking you...........
Reply to your post re......
It is confusing as there are a couple of John William and then there are John Wilsons - of similar ages.

I asked you re the occupations on marriage etc and who your John married.

1901 has this family - I wonder is it yours? If not, it looks as though he is the son of Charles and Martha.

117 Conran Street Harpurhey

John W Wilson 26 yrs  Letterpress Printer b Manchester
Hannah Wilson 25 yrs
Charles F Wilson 6 yrs
Elizabeth Wilson 4 yrs
Gladys Wilson 2 yrs

In 1891 Charles and Martha's son John W Wilson is 16 yrs and is a Printer's Apprentice.

Your John (Elizabeth Mundy)  is a circular sawyer in 1891.

This indeed is the correct family as per my previous post and so my John William Wilson B 1875 and the Charles Frederick Wilson above age 6 b1895 is my uncle......So not the father of JW but the CF wilson who was named AFTER the mysterious Charles Frederick Wilson Cir 1853.....who we can`t pin down and I have not sussed this out for nearly 25 years. There must be something really odd with this lot?

[amram]

WILSON is a common name, I know, I'm one!
Look over all your info from the beginning. Do you have the birth cert of your grandmother Elizabeth?
I cannot find the marriage you mention of J W Wilson to Hannah Hayes, do you  have the certificate?
I am intrigued as you now.

[heywood]

I am sorry- we are all repeating ourselves.

You have said that your John named his first son after Charles Frederick and his daughter after his mother, Elizabeth (Mundy).

It is good that we are looking at the correct family - Wilson and Hayes.

In 1891 Hannah Hayes is a servant in the Huddersfield area - where they married.

In 1881 Hannah Hayes is living in Harpurhey with her mother Elizabeth

If they were following a naming pattern, it would more than likely be first son after father's father and first daughter after mother's mother.

I would say that your John W is the son of Charles and Martha.

[Nivekdrawoh]

Reply to amram
Thank you for this reply.....
Re....
WILSON is a common name, I know, I'm one!
Look over all your info from the beginning. Do you have the birth cert of your grandmother Elizabeth?
I cannot find the marriage you mention of J W Wilson to Hannah Hayes, do you  have the certificate?
I am intrigued as you now.

Grandmother Elizabeth Wilson b 1896 cert yes..John William Wilson b 1875 father and Hannah Hayes mother.... These two JW and Hannah eloped from M/C to south crosland huddersfield because he JW Wilson got her with child and she went to her aunts Jane Sykes nee Hayes and to church there to get wed....in 1894Oct, and charles Frederick Wilson`s first child was B 1895..... John William Wilson b 1875 on his Marr Cert Names father as Charles Frederick Wilson Plumber.....

[heywood]

apologies- some of my last post didn't make sense - goodness knows what happened  I have corrected it.

Have I got the wrong Hannah though?

[amram]

I think you are spot on , Heywood