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Re: WILSON Lancashire/MUNDY/Irish/RYAN Irish
« Reply #27 on: Monday 20 January 14 16:19 GMT (UK) »
This looks interesting
Could this be the connection between the Kellys and the Wilsons?


Charles Frederick Wilson
marriage: 8 April 1858 Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
Ann Jane Kelly
 

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Re: WILSON Lancashire/MUNDY/Irish/RYAN Irish
« Reply #28 on: Monday 20 January 14 16:29 GMT (UK) »
REPLY TO ROLNORA.
Thank you for your post RE....
Given that your GG Grandfather was John William Wilson and that Sarah Jane was his sister, then I think that this 1891 census might be a better fit for this family.

 Charles Wilson 43 Head Plumber  b Salford
Martha   43  Wife  b Manchester
John W 4 son  b Beswick  Printers Apprentice
Sarah F 4 b dau  b Beswick, looking at the image I think this age is wrong and should be 11
Elizabeth  9 dau  b Openshaw
Living  at 19 Hewitt Street, Manchester
RG12; Piece 3177 Folio 123 Page 46

They are also at 19 Hewitt Street on the 1881 census
Charles Wilson 32 Plumber and Glazier and Gas Fitter
Martha 33
John W 6
Sarah Jane 11months
RG11 Piece 3908 Folio 18 Page

There doesn't seem to be much evidence of a Charles F marriage to Elizabeth Mundy/Kelly and I think that to be certain of his mother's name you really need to invest in the birth cert for John William and also try to find a marriage for Charles F and a Martha.

MY REPLY
Totally confused now, and if what you have found Charles Frederick Wilson B Circ 1852 was a bigamist then......Because his wife  at that stage in the game was Elizabeth Wilson (nee Mundy), and my maternal grandmother was named after her, Elizabeth b1896.
Elizabeth Mundy`s (b 1853) mother was Margaret Mundy, head widow B Ireland 1817), in 1881 Census, Margaret Mundy was living with Elizabeth Wilson (nee Mundy) in 1881 Factory Lane Salford. Elizabeth Wilson (nee Mundy) was married (not widowed at that stage), and had with her Marg EllenB1873 and my GGfather John William Wilson B1875...
Please, WHERE does Kelly enter the picture??????? no knowledge if this......

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Re: WILSON Lancashire/MUNDY/Irish/RYAN Irish
« Reply #29 on: Monday 20 January 14 16:31 GMT (UK) »
CheshireBMD has Elizabeth Ann Mundy born Stockport 1853 mother's name Kelley ???

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Re: WILSON Lancashire/MUNDY/Irish/RYAN Irish
« Reply #30 on: Monday 20 January 14 16:32 GMT (UK) »
Interesting find Heather  :)

So ...

1871  4022/ 14/ 21

31 Factory Lane Salford

Margt Kelly 46 yrs Mangling b Ireland Co Kildare
Eliz Kelly 18 yrs Throstle Spinner b Stockport
Joseph Kelly 12 yrs b Gorton
Clara Kelly 8 yrs b Salford
Mary Welsh Lodger 60 yrs Parish relief b Ireland Q!ueens County


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Re: WILSON Lancashire/MUNDY/Irish/RYAN Irish
« Reply #31 on: Monday 20 January 14 16:35 GMT (UK) »
Marriage: 3 May 1869, Christ Church, Bradford, Manchester
Charles Frederick WILSON , Plumber and gas fitter, to Martha Ellen Pemberton.
Image is on family search. This surely fits with the father on the marriage cert of John William.
Sorry can't figure out how to link!
SKINNER - Manchester/Newark, Notts
WILSON, MORRIS, LARKIN, CURLEY, McCLUSKEY, KELLY - Manchester
McDERMOTT - Roscommon, Ireland
BALLAM - Wigan/Manchester/Ashton

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Re: WILSON Lancashire/MUNDY/Irish/RYAN Irish
« Reply #33 on: Monday 20 January 14 16:46 GMT (UK) »
Reply to Welsh Lady Re.... post ...

think you need to send for John William Wilsons birth cert to see what fathers name is on there.As at moment no sign of a marriage census data on Charles or a death for him.We know that Elizabeth and siblings were registered in births as Mundy.So Elizabeth should have married under the surname Mundy.However cant find a marriage of Charles Wilson to Elizabeth Mundy/Kelly or other surname.

Fathers name of Marr Cert Is Charles Frederick Wilson, and my JW Wilson b1875 manchester, named is first son after him ...
On 1881 census RG11/3965 Salford.32 factory Lane... Elizabeth nee Mundy is Wilson, and so are the children, John William b1875  and Marg Ellen.... Elizabeth lives with mother Margaret Mundy from Ireland...

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Re: WILSON Lancashire/MUNDY/Irish/RYAN Irish
« Reply #34 on: Monday 20 January 14 16:49 GMT (UK) »
Reply to Heywood Thank you.....

Yes, mother to John William Wilson b 1875 was Elizabeth nee Mundy and he named my maternal grandmother after her.

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Re: WILSON Lancashire/MUNDY/Irish/RYAN Irish
« Reply #35 on: Monday 20 January 14 17:32 GMT (UK) »
Reply to amram thank you...

  Re.....post....
Marriage: 3 May 1869, Christ Church, Bradford, Manchester
Charles Frederick WILSON , Plumber and gas fitter, to Martha Ellen Pemberton.
Image is on family search. This surely fits with the father on the marriage cert of John William.
Sorry can't figure out how to link!Report to moderator....

Reply...... Martha Ellen Pemberton is not the wife, to my Charles Frederick Wilson, it is Elizabeth nee Mundy. b 1853...If Martha Ellen would be a wife, he may be a bigamist, and be working two families, hence his disappearance.