WILSON Lancashire/MUNDY/Irish/RYAN Irish

[Nivekdrawoh]

Also... Elizabeth Mundy wed a Charles Frederick Wilson around/before 1873 as their first child was Marg Ellen Wilson born in 1873. But who knows? (can`t find the marriage certificate.

Also RYAN (surname) you mention, And Ann RYAN was  living at 32 Factory Lane Salford NXT door to Elizabeth (nee Mundy ) Wilson b 1853, an ANN Ryan is listed, widow and head and mother in law, b Ireland... there is a Dennis Ryan Head, Mar and his daughter is Catherine Sently Marr..So don`t know if there is a link?

[heatherjulie]

1871
Margt Kelly 46 yrs Mangling b Ireland Co Kildare
Elizabeth  Kelly 18 yrs Throstle Spinner b Stockport
Joseph Kelly 12 yrs b Gorton
Clara Kelly 8 yrs b Salford

1881
Margaret Mundy  Head 63 widow
 Joseph Mundy  Son 21
 Clara Mundy  Daughter 17
 Elizabeth Wilson  Daughter married 28 born Stockport Cheshire

These look like the same family
What do you think?

[welsh lady]

Hiya all have found Elizabeths second marriage

3rd April 1893 St Philip Salford Lancs
Groom -William Higson, 54 yrs Velvet Finisher
Address-39 James St
Father-John Higson, occ -Dyer
Bride-Elizabeth Wilson, 40, ,Housekeeper, widow
Address-27 George St
Father-William Mundy, occ-Tailor
Witnesses-Francis Sawyer and Clara Mundy
This ties in with census data

Welsh lady

Welsh lady

[heatherjulie]

John WILSON  and  Elizabeth A KELLY in 1871 at Manchester, St. John

I can't find any more details of this marriage online

[rolnora]

Given that your GG Grandfather was John William Wilson and that Sarah Jane was his sister, then I think that this 1891 census might be a better fit for this family.

 Charles Wilson 43 Head Plumber  b Salford
Martha   43  Wife  b Manchester
John W 4 son  b Beswick  Printers Apprentice
Sarah F 4 b dau  b Beswick, looking at the image I think this age is wrong and should be 11
Elizabeth  9 dau  b Openshaw
Living  at 19 Hewitt Street, Manchester
RG12; Piece 3177 Folio 123 Page 46

They are also at 19 Hewitt Street on the 1881 census
Charles Wilson 32 Plumber and Glazier and Gas Fitter
Martha 33
John W 6
Sarah Jane 11months
RG11 Piece 3908 Folio 18 Page

There doesn't seem to be much evidence of a Charles F marriage to Elizabeth Mundy/Kelly and I think that to be certain of his mother's name you really need to invest in the birth cert for John William and also try to find a marriage for Charles F and a Martha.

[rolnora]

There is a copy of a marriage on Family Search for a Sarah Jane Wilson
 with father Charles F a plumber. Have a look at it, see what you think.
If you click on View document on the right hand side of the page you can see the full copy.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/233L-44R

[rolnora]

Still on Family Search this could possibly be John William's baptism.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTT7-NZQ

[welsh lady]

Hiya think you need to send for John William Wilsons birth cert to see what fathers name is on there.As at moment no sign of a marriage census data on Charles or a death for him.We know that Elizabeth and siblings were registered in births as Mundy.So Elizabeth should have married under the surname Mundy.However cant find a marriage of Charles Wilson to Elizabeth Mundy/Kelly or other surname.

Welsh lady

[rolnora]

IF I'm following the correct family then Charles is still living and on the 1901 census

10 Lamb Lane, North Manchester.
Charles 55 Plumber
Martha 56
Sarah J 21
Elizabeth 19
Son John William is now married and I'm assuming that you will have the census record for him and also his marriage.