british military innsw 1840-1850

[natjb]

Hi All, I am trying to find resourses for the british army that were stationed in NSW for the above years.Story has it that a John Flood born in Dublin ran away and tried to join the British army was found and returned to his family, on his second time changed his name , story again to Cahill. He is said to of fought in the wars of Watangi in NZ, then to Aust and was a guard on Pinchgut. He was not listed as still being in the army in 1852 when he married. Any help to point me in the right direction would be a great help.
 Cheers Natalie

[Neil Todd]

Hi Natalie, It is always best of following up on previous work to put in those threads so as not to duplicate previous work .

Previous Threads.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=578206.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=664519.msg5100799#msg5100799

RE: John Flood. Married Mary Ryan. Lived Forbes NSW

Ah, who is saying. " He is said to of fought in the wars of Watangi in NZ, then to Aust and was a guard on Pinchgut."

As of your last post his arrival hadn't been found, yet he has now joined the military at some point. Could you tell us how you have found this out please.?

There were many regiments in NSW as in the 1840's as all of what is now Australia and NZ came under NSW Government. Are you looking for a John Flood or John Cahill please?

Neil

[ShaunJ]

and who is now saying Dublin, if the death certificate says Westmeath? 

[majm]

Hi All, I am trying to find resourses for the british army that were stationed in NSW for the above years.

Story has it that a John Flood born in Dublin ran away and tried to join the British army was found and returned to his family, on his second time changed his name , story again to Cahill.

He is said to of fought in the wars of Watangi in NZ, then to Aust and was a guard on Pinchgut.

He was not listed as still being in the army in 1852 when he married. Any help to point me in the right direction would be a great help.
 Cheers Natalie

Hi Natalie,

Very confused by your current posting.    I support the questions posed by Neil and Shaun.

I am listing quite a few links for you to follow up on the several aspects you are raising.   

I have also added two questions re your John FLOOD/CAHILL.

Cheers,  JM

At this link to the British Army in NSW 1788-1870 you will find the various regiments who were stationed in NSW 1840-1850. 
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/other/british_army-in-aust.htm

At this link you read that the regular British soldiers based in NSW who went to NZ in the Ango-Maori wars of 1845-6 were likely the 58th Regiment of Foot, followed by further troops
http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/colonial.asp    (Australian War Memorial)


At this link you read that the British War Office Musters relating to the pre 1870 regiments are available on microfilm (AJCP) at major libraries.  You also should notice there’s the James Donohoe book mentioned (The British Army in Australia, 1788-1870), and also a publication “The Army in Australia 1840-1850” (M Austin) among the many titles listed.  From memory, I recall that James Donohoe’s book lists the names around 35,000 of the soldiers. 
http://www.sag.org.au/helping-you/research-guides.html?task=view&id=33 

Here’s a link to the State Library of Queensland and their pdf “British Army in Colonial Australia Info Guide 3.20”
http://www.sag.org.au/helping-you/research-guides.html?task=view&id=33 May I suggest you download the pdf and carefully examine every option noted in it. 

If you are going to access the AJCP records, you should first read the AJCP handbook, Part 4, War Office,
http://search.slv.vic.gov.au/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?docId=SLV_VOYAGER140163&vid=MAIN

New Zealand was hived off from NSW in 1841.
Victoria was hived off from NSW in 1851.
Queensland was hived off from NSW in 1859.

The fortifications for Pinchgut were not completed until 1857 (fear of Russian invasion).  The island was named Fort Denison after the then Governor General (yes, his position was as Governor General of the Colonies, and Governor of NSW…..) 
http://fortdenison.com.au/the-fort/history-of-fort-denison/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Denison
http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/resources/parks/09698FortDenSeaLevRiseStudy.pdf  (page 12 has aerial view of the fortifcations)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=650619.0  This thread has some links I posted for an enquiry about Military Department and the Blue Books.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=576188.0 This thread has some links to the various Volunteer Rifles formed and drilled in both Vic and NSW at least.

     Questions
Does your 1886 NSW dc mention that your John FLOOD was also known by the surname CAHILL? (And of course, all the children of the 1852 marriage SHOULD be noted on that dc, and how many of these are found under the surname CAHILL)
 
Is there any mention on the 1852 NSW mc to Mary RYAN of the surname CAHILL? 
1852 is BEFORE the commencement of civil registrations for NSW marriages, so I would not expect his occupation to be noted on that NSW BDM issued document based on their Early Church Records.

ADD
http://www.awm.gov.au/findingaids/private/Austin-%20Maurice.pdf   
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-Tasmania/2003-01/1041974285 

58th Regiment.  http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/58thfoot.htm

Lawrence CAHILL
Francis FLOOD
Richard FLOOD

58th sent from NSW to NZ in 1845.  58th stayed in NZ until Nov 1858 when then embarked for England. 

[majm]

Hi there,

There’s a submitted tree at Ancestry that shows John FLOOD born 1817 Ireland, married 1852 to Mary A RYAN in Sydney NSW, and….. living in New York City, New York, New York, United States in 1880, aged 50, married, and head of the house, and his death at age 69 at Forbes NSW.    Two children : John and Mary (I assume named after their parents).  Mary RYAN 1831-1903 died Forbes NSW 7 June 1903, so I will assume she may well have been the informant or at least the source of the info for the informant on John FLOOD’s 1886 dc.   

May I simply note that the original image of the 1880 US Census that is linked to that submitted tree shows the various individuals native places.  So the image shows NO mention of Australia or New South Wales, but instead it has : John Flood, husband, labourer, 50, born  Ireland; Mary Flood, wife, housekeeper, 40 born Ireland; John Flood son, 10 born N York; Bernard Flood, son 8 born N York;  William Flood, son 4, born N York.   
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MZDT-V7N
I should also add, there's NO mention of any sea voyage either from Australia or to Australia 

There’s another submitted tree at Ancestry and it shows John FLOOD born Westmeath, Ireland, marriage 1852 Sydney to Mary Ann RYAN and death 1886 Forbes NSW, with ONE child, a son John FLOOD, 1866-1909.      Seems to me that there is likely to be more children (married 1852, first child born in 1866 ….)  NO year of birth for the John Flood born Westmeath, married 1852 in Sydney.   Here’s a link to that 2 May 1852 marriage, seems Maryann RYAN is noted on at least one register for her given name.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTCD-DXG
NSW BDM 1852,  Vol 98, line 83, John FLOOD, Mary A RYAN,  I recall Vol 98 would be for Roman Catholic Marriages, including those on the registers at St Mary Cathedral, Sydney, which may well include transmitted transcripts from RC clergy within the Diocese…
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-4/volumes-1-123-1/volumes-1-123

I am very very wary of the details on submitted trees.  Like any information, it needs to be tested.  Even from my armchair, just looking online to try to help, I can see likely flaws in those two submitted trees.   Hopefully the tree owners,  will find this thread at RChat, and come along and help Natalie's quest. 

Cheers,  JM.

[NSWP]

The 58th Foot mentioned were the Rutlandshire Regimet, in 1881 as part of the Childers reforms, they amalgamated with the 48th Foot to form the Northamptonshire Regt, in which my late father served for 20 odd years.

The 58th foot served in the Port Macquarie garrison which is on the NSW North Coast, in the old graveyard there are several graves of 58th foot soldiers and their families.

Not sure where the 58th Foot's regimental home depot would be, I don't know much about Rutlandshire.