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Re: Pallen, somewhere in NE England/Canada
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 31 March 15 17:40 BST (UK) »
The information about Ann's baptism is on FamilySearch

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NTFY-X2G


If you then click on Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03681-5 , put Mundell in the surname search, that brings up the baptisms of some of her siblings.
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Re: Pallen, somewhere in NE England/Canada
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 31 March 15 18:00 BST (UK) »
After all these years you can still learn something new, eg I didn't know you could search on the batch like that on FS!

Anyway --- however -- Mundells I see but there seems to some confusion over James/Jos/John --
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Pallen, somewhere in NE England/Canada
« Reply #20 on: Monday 06 April 15 14:09 BST (UK) »
I, too, am descended from William Pallen through his daughter Elizabeth.  I have the wills of the two Johns and am in no doubt that William's parents are John and Margaret Pallen.  There are a number of challenges in researching this family.
1) Norham is geographically in Northumberland but counted as being in Durham on some records.
2) the many different spellings of the surname.
3) The Pallens seem to have been Presbyterians.  Marriage which took place in England was only legal if conducted in a Church of England, so the Pallen marriages may have taken place in Scotland, where the established church was Presbyterian.
I wonder why John P senior only mentioned his wife and son John in his will.  I don't know when his son George died, but he had a whole bunch of grandchildren as well as his son William still alive. Strange that they weren't mentioned.

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Re: Pallen, somewhere in NE England/Canada
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 07 April 15 10:37 BST (UK) »
This is so fascinating to find all these different branches and relations! I presume you are from the Morrow family?  I can answer the point about Norham and Durham.  We live in Northumberland - purely my chance not because of family - and Norham is a small village about 7 miles from Berwick upon Tweed.  In the 12thC the Prince Bishops of Durham built a castle there and so it became almost an 'island' of County Durham, being surrounded on 3 sides by Northumberland and on one side by Scotland. I will see if I can search a marriage through the Scottish records but it would be really interesting to see the two wills - could you give me a suggestion as to where to find them? Any more details on the family would be really interesting to know - I may go and have a look around the churchyard at Norham - they may not have been married there but perhaps some of the family may have been buried there.   


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Re: Pallen, somewhere in NE England/Canada
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 07 April 15 14:22 BST (UK) »
Hello Hilary,
Yes, my family is the Morrow line.  I found the wills of John P senior and junior on Ancestry. They are also available from the National Archives.  A copy of John junior's will is also available on Scotland's People, since he died in Scotland.  The Scottish version is actually easier to read, and includes an inventory.  I ordered the Family Search films for Norham St Cuthbert, Norham Presbyterian and Ladykirk (just across the river Tweed in Scotland, where the established church is Presbyterian), but couldn't find a baptism for William, nor a marriage for his parents John & Margaret.  Interestingly, the Presbyterian record for Norham  shows John Palin (sic) under 'admission' on 28th June 1772.  I assume this means that he joined the church on that date.  This was just 3 days before his son John was baptised.  Is this significant?  Had John senior just joined the Presbyterian church, or had he just recently moved to Norham from elsewhere?  If he had moved, then it would explain why I haven't found William's baptism, as I believe William was born a few years earlier, probably about 1768.  Someone called Mike Simpson has kindly posted online details of Pallen burials in Norham: 'In memory of John Paulin of Norham who died ... November also Margaret his wife who died March ... 81 years.  Also Diana Williams wife of John Paulin their son died in London January 5th 1830.  Also the said John Paulin their son died in Dunse 19th April 1849 aged 77 years.'  Obviously the headstones are worn and not completely legible.  But the St Cuthbert register shows John senior was buried 3rd December 1831 aged 84.  I haven't found Margaret's burial.  I believe she probably died some time between 1832 and 1838, as these years are missing from the register.  I'm going to WDYTYA live next week.  Maybe I'll pick up some ideas as to where I can look for more clues.

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Re: Pallen, somewhere in NE England/Canada
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 07 April 15 15:01 BST (UK) »
Really interesting - thank you.

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Re: Pallen, somewhere in NE England/Canada
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 05 April 16 13:39 BST (UK) »
Ages ago Annie asked about the parents of Ann Mundell (b 1802) who married Peter Pallen. Her parents were James Mundell (1771-1823) and Jane Sweatman.  James' parents were John Mundell (b1735) and Jenny Crew (1737-1812).
 

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Re: Pallen, somewhere in NE England/Canada
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 05 April 16 14:30 BST (UK) »
1) Norham is geographically in Northumberland but counted as being in Durham on some records.

'Norhamshire' was one of three detached 'islands' of County Durham within Northumberland.
The other two were 'Islandshire' (Tweedmouth area) and 'Bedlingtonshire'. Anyone living there at the time of the 1841 census would have been enumerated as living in County Durham. Births there would be registered as being in County Durham.

This leads to great confusion for family historians!

These three areas became part of Northumberland under the 'Counties (Detached Parts) Bill' of 1844.
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