Kissock/McDonald in Kells

[anne_p]

Sadly, I have no idea if Margaret Minn MS Kissock was related to Charles Kissock.

Charles was born in Antrim around 1829 and according to his 2nd marriage of 1884, his father was a farmer named George Kissock.

[bookdragon01]

Margaret was born around 1847 (based on age in census reports).  Unfortunately that's as much as I know of her.

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly.

[anne_p]

Bookdragon,
I was looking at the info that I have on Charles Kissock and I have reason to think that he may be related to Margaret Minn Ms Kissock.

I looked at the Minn/Kissock marriage.
James and Margaret married on the 18 Nov 1874 in Ballymena.
Margaret was a widow. Her previous married name was BEGG.
Her father's name was James Kissock ( farmer) and the witnesses were Joseph and Elizabeth Kissock.
PM me if you wish a copy of this cert

I also found your tree on Ancestry.
 My family who lived in Kells at 1911 moved back to Glasgow but a daughter later married and returned to the area. Her husband was friend/neighbour who appeared with his family in Kells at 1911
His last name was ESLER!

[bookdragon01]

Thank you so much.

I PM-ed, but wanted to put it on the board too.  I don't know if the Esler in Kells is related to my Eslers, but it seems likely.  My gr-grandmother Esler was the eldest of 16 children and her parents were both Eslers.  Unfortunately, I know more about the ones who emigrated the US, Canada and Australia than those that stayed in Ireland.

[anne_p]

Bookdragon
Can you PM your email address  to me so I can send you the marriage cert?

I think this may be your James Kissock at 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballyclug/Tully/939186/

His  widowed daughter at 1911?http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballyclug/Tully/122589/

I also noice that on the 1911 census there is a son in law called David Hamilton
 A man called David Hamilton of Tully was also the informant to the death of Charles Kissock in 1907

[bookdragon01]

I don't know about Hamiltons, but my John Esler of Ballyclug was the son of Elizabeth Johnston.

[JJB234]

Hello anne_p (and all)!

My name is Joseph, and I am the great-great grandson of Charles Rea/Wray, who was born 1888 in Kells, County Antrim, Northern Ireland (shown on his ship manifest to the US). A couple of years ago, I did some research at the Family History Centre in Salt Lake City, trying to figure out who Charles's parents were, and I discovered that their names were John Wray and Margaret McDonald, of County Antrim, Northern Ireland. Doing some more research, I found my Charles Rea on the Ireland census of 1901, living in Tannybrake, Kells, with Charles and Margaret (McDonald) Kissock – interestingly, the very Charles and Margaret Kissock discussed on this thread. Would you happen to have come across any Reas/Wrays or a Charles Rea/Wray in your research, or have heard of him?

From my research, I am beginning to believe that my Charles may have been the son of this Margaret, or at least he was a relative. I found it very interesting that the Margaret on this thread had an illegitimate daughter born in 1871 – according to my grandmother (Charles’s granddaughter), Charles and a sister were born illegitimately and, consequently, were ignored or treated differently by the family. It could very well be that this sister my grandmother was talking about is Margaret’s daughter born in 1871, although she would have been somewhat older than my Charles.

I would love to learn more about the Charles and Margaret (McDonald) Kissock discussed on this thread, as well as about the McDonald family in general, and Margaret’s daughter, if possible. Would love to know what you think about Charles being the son of Margaret too. If you would be interested in learning more about my Charles Rea/Wray, I would be willing to send you the information I have - just let me know!

I look forward to hearing from you, and learning more about this interesting family!

Best,
Joseph

PS1: I would also love to hear everyone's input, and would love to send information on my Charles Rea/Wray and family, if it would be of interest! Have a wonderful day!

PS2: I also find it very, very interesting that Hamiltons are discussed on this thread - my Charles Rea/Wray married Elizabeth Hamilton, born in 1879 in Ballyclug, the daughter of Samuel Hamilton and Ellen Leitch, and her siblings names were Margaret, possibly Anna, possibly David, and maybe others (I need to look at my notes). Possibly related? Margaret moved to the US after Charles and Elizabeth immigrated, I think in 1914, with her husband, a Mr. Johnston (another name here).

[anne_p]

Hi Joseph,
Could you please add another couple of posts to this thread so that I can send you a private message.?
Since my original posting on this thread, I have gleaned a huge amount of info on this family

12 yr old Charles Rae on the 1901 census was not the son of Margaret Kissock Ms McDonald but, I have found definitive  info which is relevant.

I am almost certain of his actual identity !
EDIT:
I am 100% certain of his identity
I also know how the name of Johnston fits with the family.




Anne

[JJB234]

Hi anne_p and all! This is very exciting. Here is a little information I have on Charles if you would like to read about him. According to his ship manifest (he immigrated to the US in 1906), he was a butler, he left from Liverpool, he had previously lived in Tanneybrake, Kells, he was born in Kells, and he was going with his wife Elizabeth to Kellogg, Jasper County, Iowa. They did live there for a while (US censuses), including Rock Creek, in the same county. Charles lived to be in his nineties...he died in 1985. He moved to Ithaca, New York (sometime in the 1940s), where he did some farming...my mother remembers going to see his potatoes.

Here is Charles on the 1910, 1920, and 1930 US censuses (you can view for free on FamilySearch).

1910: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MGMC-F61
1920: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDM8-KB8
1930: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XMJK-FG6

Here is Charles's obit: http://www.grinnell.lib.ia.us/Obit/W3/WrayCharles.pdf (some of the information is wrong - some relatives thought he was born in Belfast, and they got his year of immigration wrong too).