Kissock/McDonald in Kells

[anne_p]

I am trying to find a death of Margaret Kissock, maiden name McDonald.
She had an illegitimate daughter, born in Galgorm on 3 Jan 1871

Margaret  ( a spinster) married Charles Kissock ( a widower) on 11 Jan 1884 in Ballymena.
They are found living at 32 Tanneybrake, Kells on the 1901 census.
Husband Charles Kissock died in 1907 but I can find no trace of his widow after this date.

The only thing I have to go on, is that her father was a farmer called Hugh McDonald and her age at 1901 is recorded as 50yrs. YOB circa 1851 which would make her about 20yrs old when her daughter was born.

I believe her father was  the Hugh McDonald of Newhills who died in 1891 leaving a will.
I have since found the death info for his wife , Ann McDonald, and located the two  daughters named on his will. These girls appear to be more than 20yrs younger than Margaret?
His will also mentions a married son and a married daughter but fails to name them.
I cannot find any births/baptisms for Margaret, Sarah or Lizzie McDonald to confirm that they were siblings.

In 1911,  there is no trace of Margaret Kissock, but her daughter, who married and was living in Glasgow, has temporarily moved  back to Antrim, and is found living at 42 Tanneybrake with her Scots born children
( They returned to Glasgow before 1914)

When this daughter married in Glasgow in 1893, she fibbed about her parentage to hide her illegitimacy.
She claimed that her own father was Hugh McDonald,  (deceased farmer) and  her mother was named as Margaret McDonald maiden name "Miller" who had since remarried to... Charles Kissock.
Her 1939 Scottish death cert has the correct info.
 No Father listed. Mother:Margaret McDonald (deceased) later married to Charles Kissock

EDIT:
I don't know if Margaret Miller was a fabricated name or potentially the name of her grandmother?

[scotmum]

Have you ruled out the Death of a Margaret Kissock aged c65yrs in 1905 in the Ballymena area?  I am not seeing the name/age combination in the area for 1901, so perhaps your Margaret's age at 1901 census was being a bit 'economical' and this is her.

[anne_p]

Thanks Scotmum,
I haven't ruled out anything at the moment and the 1905 death is possibly my missing ancestor.
Her daughter was about 13yrs old when her mother married and I would guess that she was raised within her mothers new marriage until she left Ireland and may have viewed Charles Kissock as a father.

I have been comparing the 1901 census of Tanneybrake to the 1911 census and have come to the conclusion that the daughter was residing in her mothere's former home rather than a different house in the same street.
I think that house numbers allocated do not refer to a "door" number, but the numbers used by the enumerator in each census year to locate a property.
Many of the 1901 families still live there at 1911 but none seem to have retained the original number.

The thing I can't quite gets to grips with is this...
If her mother did die in 1905, followed by her stepfather in 1907, how come the daughter did not return to the house until 1910/11?

I have planned a trip to NI in May and do intend to spend a day at Proni to look at some things.

No doubt be back on these boards around April asking for advice !

EDIT:
I have just had a thought, I wonder if the youngest child on the 1911 census was born in Ireland rather than Glasgow. This would make more sense!
BTW. Husband/father of this family worked on the ships running between Glasow and Belfast.

[Elwyn Soutter]

I can confirm that the numbers in the 2 censuses were just the enumerators private numbering system (different in each census) and do not relate to any real house numbers or postal address. There were no house numbers on rural properties at that time.

The revaluation records show Maggie Campbell arriving on plot 34c in Tawnybrack, in 1909. That was a small house, shop and garden on the farm occupied by John Caldwell. She is also shown on 34b next door (another house and small garden) and appears to have left in 1914.

http://applications.proni.gov.uk/dcal_proni_val12b/RelatedVolume.aspx?4965

You would be able to locate 34b & 34c using the maps on Griffiths Valuation (when the site comes back up).

[anne_p]

Thank You very much Elwyn.
I have always found the  members on the Irish Boards extremely knowlegeable and helpful.
I will certainly check out the link

I knew that this family were back in Glasgow by 1914 because I have the birth record of their youngest daughter who was born in  Glasgow in Oct 1914.
The children also married in Glasgow from 1920 onwards
The 12yr old child named Jane on the 1911 return was my husband's grandmother.

Thankies
Anne

[anne_p]

Thank you again Elwyn,
I had forgotten all about the revision books

I am re- learning how to navigate the site and can see Maggie Campbell at plots 3b and 3c at 1909
Did you notice the name above Maggie and crossed out from plot 3c ?
Charles Cusack!
I fully expect that this is  her stepfather, Charles Kissock!

[Elwyn Soutter]

Excellent. Then you know that has to be your family OK.

[LottieD]

Hi

My Galgorm McDonalds moved to Glasgow too, around 1868, first to Maryhill then to Dennistoun.  Just thinking maybe we have a connection there.

I'm heading over there next week but I'm beginning to think I should have spent the day at PRONI rather than gravehunting in Ballymena/Galgorm. 

Best of luck with your search

[bookdragon01]

Do you happen to have any idea if Charles Kissock in Kells might be related to my gr-gr-grnadmother Margaret Minn nee Kissock who is there in the 1911 census? 

I've been trying to find her origins but my only clue thus far is that it looks like sometime after her husband died in 1901 she moved herself remaining children from Cross, Ballyclug to Kells.  Perhaps to be nearer family?